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4 hours ago, RBE said:

Feel free to wish list!

 How about IHA (Sfhimmns) bogie curtain steel wagons, or an up to date warwell wagon with warrior cradle etc?

 

Love the BBA's.

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4 hours ago, RBE said:

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Hornby don't do O gauge.....

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4 hours ago, RBE said:

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How about the Class 89 as that ran with Mk4’s for a short time?

Also, how about a Class 175/180 or surprise everyone and do a Class 120

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9 hours ago, RBE said:

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There's a lot of models that can be done, that's never been done by anyone else, following your business model which is perfect in my books, I think Cavalex can actually pick up a lot of the locos, EMUs and DMUs that people have been crying out for, for so long but none of the mainstream manufacturers have show any interest in doing:-
Cl. 88
Cl. 89
Cl. 175

Cl. 180

Cl. 313
Cl. 314

Cl. 320
Cl. 321

 

This is a proper mix of what's either considered niche models or multiple units that would otherwise cost much more if done by a mainstream supplier. I understand that there's a whole load of Electrostar units that people have been dying to see in RTR form.
 

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15 hours ago, RBE said:

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Anything modern.

Class 175, 180, 185, 195, 222 - I'm a diesel person but would certainly buy a 332/333 if it was around.

 

I also am interested as you said until you'd got a lot of CAD work ready, you didn't announce anything.

I appreciate that as I'm not a fan of companies that come out with a drawing only.  Need something more juicy in this day and age.

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Another couple of things I'd be interested in.

 

GBRF wagons, IIAs with the covers and HOAs (especially in Cemex livery) would be good. Although I think Revolution are doing a 2mm HOA so it wouldn't surprise me if that's on Accurascales to do list?

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15 hours ago, RBE said:

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Go on then, I’ll bite!

 

A nice heavy diecast YMA Salmon / YKA Osprey would be lovely and have a great appeal covering pretty well the entire network and still in use today (or certainly up till recently) from as far back as the 50s in their earliest guises, I can’t think of any other rolling stock spanning such a broad timeframe. And most people could find a reason to run an engineers train, long or short. Cambrian do a fine kit, but it’s a little too lightweight for me, and no real place to hide weights on an empty load.

 

FWIW, I was never in the market for a 91, but as a businessman can well understand where you guys stand with your decision as your business is still in its infancy, it’s perfectly understandable to reduce risk. I have no particular axe to grind over Hornby’s recent announcement of theirs as I don’t know the facts, so don’t know how long it’s been in the pipeline internally for them, or how far back progress goes, but do feel for you over the unfortunate timing of it.

 

On the face of it you have a fantastic business model, and rightfully a fantastic support, you’ve given confidence to the crowdfunding concept in this industry right when it was needed, and I wish you ever success, which I’m sure you will duly achieve.

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42 minutes ago, Foden said:


Go on then, I’ll bite!

 

A nice heavy diecast YMA Salmon / YKA Osprey would be lovely and have a great appeal covering pretty well the entire network and still in use today (or certainly up till recently) from as far back as the 50s in their earliest guises, I can’t think of any other rolling stock spanning such a broad timeframe. And most people could find a reason to run an engineers train, long or short. Cambrian do a fine kit, but it’s a little too lightweight for me, and no real place to hide weights on an empty load.

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

I'd probably be able to find an excuse to buy some YMAs or YKAs

 

These are currently being progressed by Footplate models, think they are doing some adjustments to the tooling.

 

 

Cheers

 

Simon

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16 hours ago, RBE said:

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 A big gap as MGR Hooper has said is an 80s to date EMU   313/314/315/507/508  or 317/318/455 in OO gauge .  Not on any manufacturers lists at moment .  If anyone was going to do it I would have bet on Accurascale or yourselves . I think it would be too expensive if it was Bachmann , who in any case still seem to have production capacity issues , and I just don't see Hornby into AC EMUS  

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Class 323's always seem to get a mention, there have been at least 5 liveries on the Northern fleet, expect the West Midlands would be the same or simar. 

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Legend said:

 A big gap as MGR Hooper has said is an 80s to date EMU   313/314/315/507/508  or 317/318/455 in OO gauge .  Not on any manufacturers lists at moment .  If anyone was going to do it I would have bet on Accurascale or yourselves . I think it would be too expensive if it was Bachmann , who in any case still seem to have production capacity issues , and I just don't see Hornby into AC EMUS  

 

Is there also similarity between the 317/318/455 and 319 and 320/321/322 families? obviously the ends are different, but the bulk of the bodysides look very similar with a few differing window sizes at the ends. Could clever tooling from one lead nicely onto the next and there is a good geographical spread there too

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7 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:

Cl. 313
Cl. 314

 

8 minutes ago, 87023Velocity said:

Class 323's 

 

These would have been my suggestions, the 323 particularly could be a massive open goal for a smaller manufacturer.

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12 minutes ago, GordonC said:

 

Is there also similarity between the 317/318/455 and 319 and 320/321/322 families? obviously the ends are different, but the bulk of the bodysides look very similar with a few differing window sizes at the ends. Could clever tooling from one lead nicely onto the next and there is a good geographical spread there too

Anything around a 319 would be another potential collision in the making.

 

Bachmann are doing the 319 in N, it will end up in 00 and with Bachmann now running silent and deep on new toolings it could surface in any quarter rather like a 91.

 

With more manufacturers and less volume selling models to go at I think it is getting harder to find something that won't be up for a challenge from another manufacturer.

 

If though you're looking for something with a motor in it to make, why not look to the West Coast and do something in the 81-84 classes - with the 87 from Hornby and the earlier 86 coming from Heljan you'd like to think those modelling the 60s and early 70s might like to add some of the other electrics into the mix on their layouts.

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With regards to the 313 and 314, I would not be suprised if Revolution did not consider doing a 4mm version once the 2mm one is completed, as per what they have done with some of their freight stock.

 

Cheers

 

Simon

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@RBE just an idea, could you possible press ahead with the mk4 and DVT to beat Hornby to the market and possibly gain the capital to make models wirthout the deposit funding? yes we're getting a Hornby class 91 but we're not getting the stock to go with it!

 

I'm not expecting a reply just wanted to voice my idea.

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35 minutes ago, 87023Velocity said:

With regards to the 313 and 314, I would not be suprised if Revolution did not consider doing a 4mm version once the 2mm one is completed, as per what they have done with some of their freight stock.

 

Cheers

 

Simon

 

Or Accurascale do it as they seem to do a lot of CAD sharing with Revolution?

 

I would expect 4mm CAD to be the better starting position though unless they have a "master" full size model with details which are then removed when scaling down from the real thing. I don't know where they start with CADs, whether they model the prototype in as much detail as they can and then remove stuff which cannot be done at the size of the model or whether they start at the model size so don't put it in to begin with.

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I’m still hoping someone someday will release a 123/124 Trans Pennine unit and a 120 would be nice

 

an 01 shunter would be good but I suppose it's a bit too niche... I would say an 06 but knowing Hornby they would claim that as their own too!

 

But to be honest as long as your next choice is diesel or electric I'll be supporting you :D

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2 hours ago, 87023Velocity said:

 

 

These are currently being progressed by Footplate models, think they are doing some adjustments to the tooling.

 

 

Cheers

 

Simon


Apologies Simon, I’d not noticed these latest announcements.

 

I’d feared this project was dead in the water after a long period of time!

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I thought you had massive balls for taking on a class 91 + mk4s when previously I was only aware of wagons. The 91 didn't suit my layout, which is WCML based, although the day before the announcement I dropped an order for an early 91 figuring I could run it on test trains/commissioning/original light-loco run from Crewe to Bounds Green. I'm sad that it hasn't worked out for you.

 

Now onto wishlisting, it's already been mentioned but how about a 317? It's had a long life, has been on many regions (ok only relatively short-lived on WCML but it fits within my era), and I don't think anyone else is doing it RTR in any scale -- i hold out hope that maybe the 319/320/321 'N' gauge from various manufacturers may make it into OO.

 

If i'm honest what I really hanker after is a 304 or 310, but think the 317 might reach a wider audience; I appreciate this would still be a giant leap of faith.

 

*Edit* alternatively what about some infrastructure, still crying out for decent "RTR" OHLE, which would help make a market for future models.

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2 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Anything around a 319 would be another potential collision in the making.

 

Bachmann are doing the 319 in N, it will end up in 00 and with Bachmann now running silent and deep on new toolings it could surface in any quarter rather like a 91.

 

With more manufacturers and less volume selling models to go at I think it is getting harder to find something that won't be up for a challenge from another manufacturer.

 

If though you're looking for something with a motor in it to make, why not look to the West Coast and do something in the 81-84 classes - with the 87 from Hornby and the earlier 86 coming from Heljan you'd like to think those modelling the 60s and early 70s might like to add some of the other electrics into the mix on their layouts.

 

True about the 319 and it was more of an afterthought to me initially after starting with 317,318 and 320-322, but it depends on how tenuous links are to be made between similar things - does having Class 150 sprinter bodyshells give Bachmann a good start towards those and 325 EMUs?

 

does having an 85 possibly put Bachmann in the driving seat for an 81, the cab shape is pretty similar although shorter and different underframe.

 

Classes 82-84 may be more suited to Cavalex than volume manufacturers if they're more of less produced to order and getting firm commitments up front for sales quantities (with purchasers also having the benefit of knowing they'd make a good job of it - which cannot be said of Hornby!). I could be way off here, but I got the impression Cavalex were more current day modellers than 1960s to 1980s so I dont know if that could put a sway on which prototypes they'd look at.

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I'd love to see proof of the numerous comments that Hornby have deliberately "spoilt" Cavalex's class 91.

 

The Cavalex project was anounced in March 2019. Given that Hornby are currently listing a December 2020 release date I would imagine that Hornby had their new model planned before Cavalex's was anounced.

 

Steven B.

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I generally model late 80s early 90s Gordon but Cavalex isn't about making model for us to run. Its about the modelling community in general and if they want 60s to 80s stuff we'll happily do them.

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3 minutes ago, Steven B said:

The Cavalex project was anounced in March 2019. Given that Hornby are currently listing a December 2020 release date I would imagine that Hornby had their new model planned before Cavalex's was announced.

Agreed, and as stated earlier. As is so often the case, however, small breaths of common sense are drowned out by the howling gale of indignation.

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