Planned Farish release schedule April 2019 - January 2020

[1977joey]

5 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

 

They must have heard us all moaning about the delays.

Absolutely, now give me an N gauge 117 DMU too & I'll be more than chuffed with them ha! 

[fezza]

9 hours ago, 1977joey said:

Absolutely, now give me an N gauge 117 DMU too & I'll be more than chuffed with them ha! 

I've always thought it odd that the Cravens 105 never appeared in N. Operationally it was much more widespread than some of the obscure stuff that is released. 

 

I'd certainly love a 117 too. 

[The Pilotman]

On 06/05/2020 at 00:58, 1977joey said:

Mark 2F's now showing August folks 

 

https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/category/model-railway/graham-farish/coaches?page=2

 

Cheers,

Mark

The delivery dates for the locos that I’m interested in (Railfreight grey 31 and 47, blue 40 and 47, and the large logo 47) have all come forward a month too. I take that as an encouraging (but expensive) sign...

[fezza]

That's some good news at least.

 

Still no dates for the 101s, 108s or 158s.  That's a big problem for anyone modelling post 1970s.

 

Quite a few of the modern liveries (Virgin, LM) are likely to be out of date / extinct when they finally come out in N gauge. This is a far cry from the days when Lima turned out a new 00 livery just weeks after it appeared on the real thing. I can't help thinking these long delays negatively impact on sales. 

[Bomag]

32 minutes ago, fezza said:

That's some good news at least.

 

Still no dates for the 101s, 108s or 158s.  That's a big problem for anyone modelling post 1970s.

 

 

 

The 158 is shown as still in CAD development.

 

The lack of Mk2 air-cons is more of a gap than reruns of 101s/108s

[fezza]

Fair enough but there are currently no Farish dmus available now or in the foreseeable future for the whole period 1970 - 1997. This was a period in which dmus made up about 70% of diesel passenger services. 

[grahame]

1 hour ago, fezza said:

Fair enough but there are currently no Farish dmus available now or in the foreseeable future for the whole period 1970 - 1997. 

 

I think you'll find that some retailers (like MRD) are still offering Sprinters and 101 dmus, and, of course, Farish have produced 108s, 158s, 170s and even the blue Pullman in recent years. And with some new batches scheduled. But for real paucity of choice and availability check out their output of DC third rail emus suitable for that period.

 

 

[fezza]

Yes I have every sympathy with those interested in third rail. I suppose the point here is third rail is rare outside the south so the market is limited. However I'm sure they would sell if available. 

 

There are a lot of dmus that lasted a long time and travelled around the country that haven't been touched - 105, 114, 116.117, 120, 123, 123,126. Yet we've got locos like 22s and Teddy bears that didn't last five minutes on BR metals. I guess locos are just more popular. 

 

I suppose we've all got our own wants and that shapes our perspective.  I'm certainly in the market for a refurbished white 108 and a modern spec Regional 158 with a decent chassis. Got to try to be patient... 

[Solo]

11 hours ago, fezza said:

 

 

There are a lot of dmus that lasted a long time and travelled around the country that haven't been touched - 105, 114, 116.117, 120, 123, 123,126. Yet we've got locos like 22s and Teddy bears that didn't last five minutes on BR metals. I guess locos are just more popular. 

 

 

Agree entirely, this an odd anomaly in the model railway business.  Whilst I think most of us probably model workaday subjects there is an abundance of incredibly niche (albeit wonderfully reproduced) models either planned or in production - Blue Pullmans, APTs, Prototype HST(?!!) and the like....given the means I would love to start a model production company specialising in the mundane.

 

Hopefully demographics play a part and those of us who fondly remember the 'BR Blue' era will be rewarded with models of all those DMUs in due course.

 

Good to see the MK2Fs with a definite date though, having seen samples of these at a show they are sorely tempting me back to 'N' gauge for a little project. 

[John M Upton]

When it comes to mundane, there is nothing more qualifying of that category than Mk1 coaches.  The Blue/Grey ones seem to get a batch every few years or so, mostly sell out quickly (except FO's anf FK's, who needs thirty of them?!?) and then they start commanding seriously silly prices on Ebay until eventually another batch turns up!

 

They should be a staple production item really.

[1977joey]

3 hours ago, Solo said:

Agree entirely, this an odd anomaly in the model railway business.  Whilst I think most of us probably model workaday subjects there is an abundance of incredibly niche (albeit wonderfully reproduced) models either planned or in production - Blue Pullmans, APTs, Prototype HST(?!!) and the like....given the means I would love to start a model production company specialising in the mundane.

 

Hopefully demographics play a part and those of us who fondly remember the 'BR Blue' era will be rewarded with models of all those DMUs in due course.

 

Good to see the MK2Fs with a definite date though, having seen samples of these at a show they are sorely tempting me back to 'N' gauge for a little project. 

 

Totally agree regarding the DMU front.

 

If either Fairsh or Dapol would just do a larger suburban DMU, the 117 would be great as it lasted so long and the variety of liveries they carried from BR Green through to Network Southeast & Regional Railways, as well as the sphere of operation, from the southeast, south west, west country, the midlands (Where they got as far as Nottingham, Lincoln, Skegness etc, then finally retired in scotland. Also there's the Class 116's that were virtually seen all over, from the west country upto scotland. Remember the hybrids too with one car of a 116 & one car of a 101 together in the Tyseley days. Some even operated like that in the mid to late 80's in the Manchester area. Yup..., we're crying out (Well i am haha) for a high density unit, wether you want to operate a branch line, local service or busy commuter service, they cover them all...

 

Cheers,

Mark

Edited May 8, 2020 by 1977joey

[montyburns56]

3 hours ago, 1977joey said:

 

Totally agree regarding the DMU front.

 

If either Fairsh or Dapol would just do a larger suburban DMU, the 117 would be great as it lasted so long and the variety of liveries they carried from BR Green through to Network Southeast & Regional Railways, as well as the sphere of operation, from the southeast, south west, west country, the midlands (Where they got as far as Nottingham, Lincoln, Skegness etc, then finally retired in scotland. Also there's the Class 116's that were virtually seen all over, from the west country upto scotland. Remember the hybrids too with one car of a 116 & one car of a 101 together in the Tyseley days. Some even operated like that in the mid to late 80's in the Manchester area. Yup..., we're crying out (Well i am haha) for a high density unit, wether you want to operate a branch line, local service or busy commuter service, they cover them all...

 

Cheers,

Mark

 

Well Dapol already had a chassis and the basic body shell shape required for a 117 with their 121 model, so it amazed me that they never bothered to produce one.

[Roy L S]

4 minutes ago, montyburns56 said:

 

Well Dapol already had a chassis and the basic body shell shape required for a 117 with their 121 model, so it amazed me that they never bothered to produce one.

 

Agreed, especially as the mechanism drives all axles - it would handle the extra two vehicles in a 117 no problem at all. I think the issue with Dapol is that N is no longer their principle focus, that is quite clearly O Gauge now with a bit more activity in 00 into the bargain. 

 

Commercially it would seem to be a good choice of DMU to do given it's longevity, geographical spread and consequent livery choices especially if they can keep a 3 car unit at or slightly under the £200 mark for RRP. 

 

Roy

[Revolution Mike]

The issue with tooling new multiple units is tooling cost vs expected sales volume vs price. This thread largely encapsulates exactly that balance for all N gauge manufacturers.

 

Part of the reason that the pace of new releases has slowed from the likes of Farish is that the most obvious choices have already been done therefore are you really going to sell as many say Cl 23s as you would Black 5/37/47/66 etc. 

 

MUs require more tooling and more production plus they tend to appeal to a smaller chunk of the market (for a variety of reasons eg regional usage, time frame etc etc) so proportionally they're more expensive.

 

One fallacy that seems to being repeated as gospel truth is that more detail or more features = more profit margin. I doubt that there is any truth in that whatsoever (and I see all sorts of quotes from a lot of different factories for a variety of products)! In fact I'd go far as to say the exact opposite is true that profit margins are sometimes (not always) largest on simple items...

 

Cheers Mike

[Steven B]

I'd be surprised if the profit margin on the Farish VGA wasn't higher than the OBA - similar RRP but vastly different in levels of detail and hence time to put together.

 

Steven B.

[Revolution Mike]

Hi Steven

 

Without knowing if they are produced in similar sized production runs, total sales or details of tooling amortisation you can’t really know. Pricing is a different topic again!
 

Detail does not necessarily mean more separate parts. 
 

I was really thinking of new tooling rather than old.  As I’m addressing the point that adding detail/features to new models increases profit margin. More separate parts will add to assembly costs as more tools will add to tooling costs but neither of those equate to an impact on profit margin.

 

Cheers Mike

[montyburns56]

I see that the 2F's have now slipped to September. Hopefully the closer we get the more accurate the release date will be. Hopefully....

[montyburns56]

And now some of the 2F's have slipped to October. The Blue/grey TSO/FO/BSO are still due for Sept, but the Executive liveries and the RFM/DBSO are now due in October. It's weird though as you'd think that it would be easier for the factory to do them all in one go. It's almost as if the factory can only use a certain amount of its capacity for Farish products at any one time.

[woodenhead]

1 hour ago, montyburns56 said:

And now some of the 2F's have slipped to October. The Blue/grey TSO/FO/BSO are still due for Sept, but the Executive liveries and the RFM/DBSO are now due in October. It's weird though as you'd think that it would be easier for the factory to do them all in one go. It's almost as if the factory can only use a certain amount of its capacity for Farish products at any one time.

It may very well be that, if slots are allocated on time basis, similar to the Scrum Agile methodology then there would be a strict limit on what is produced based on the time available versus the time it takes to produce each model.  If for any reason the slot cannot produce the planned units then they would have to be shifts to the next slot for Farish products so that other products are not delayed through a delay in another product.

[Mike Harvey]

On the other hand they may all have been made at the same time, shipped at the same time, and entered the warehouse at the same time, but are being delivered to the retail trade in two batches so the sales of the first batch can fund bigger orders for the second batch. At least they are manufactured, and coming soon.

Edited August 9, 2020 by Mike Harvey

[tiger]

Can anybody remember whether the Intercity Charter (white roof) Mk1BCK was previously announced, or whether it is a surprise new release?

 

374-088 N BR Mk1 BCK Brake Composite Corridor BR InterCity Charter (Executive) 44.95

 

Would love to be able to purchase some matching Mk1 31xx series FO (and ideally - Wishlist mode on - an RBR) to go with this.

 

edit: like this (Flickr “public” link...not my original photo) 

 

 

Cheers, Tom.

Edited August 12, 2020 by tiger

[03060]

I think that It is a new anouncement. Typically I have already bought or got on order several IC Mk.1 coaches to change into this livery....but also typically....I haven't got around to it yet !

[Ed-farms]

I can see the FO's getting done maybe in the next release quarter - I hope so as a charter set would be great behind my Mallard

[JR_P]

14 hours ago, tiger said:

Can anybody remember whether the Intercity Charter (white roof) Mk1BCK was previously announced, or whether it is a surprise new release?

This was a ‘surprise’, but if you notice, there are a few BCKs due soon-ish, so I suspect that it is all the same batch and they needed to add a livery to make up MOQ.... I would guess that the charter FOs will follow the next time they do a production run of FOs.

 

One question I have though - should the BCK have ‘intercity’ in swallow italics??? The only photo is can find online it does have the italic ‘intercity’, so does that mean the Farish BCK represents a very specific period in time, or is it just wrong  ?!

[Padishar Creel]

17 hours ago, tiger said:

(and ideally - Wishlist mode on - an RBR) to go with this. 

 

Introducing the MK2Fs makes the RBR even more conspicuous by its absence. Bachmann have allowed Hornby to fill this gap in 00, so the chances of BachFar doing one in N are provably even smaller than they were last year but yes, I agree totally. Far more useful than the RU

 

es grüßt 

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