NXEA! Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Not my modelling era, but this is a cracking choice by Accurascale of an interesting prototype, and its one of those wagons that you can justify anywhere coupled to most classes of loco. Hope it is a success! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Have these been used by the MOD at any point loaded with the distinctive side door red containers? in terms of bundle deals, is there (or can there be) one for a mixed set of yellow & red ones? just need the JG Russell 30ft FPA & coal containers and we’d have 1990s household coal tied up nicely. thanks 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 40 minutes ago, black and decker boy said: Have these been used by the MOD at any point loaded with the distinctive side door red containers? in terms of bundle deals, is there (or can there be) one for a mixed set of yellow & red ones? just need the JG Russell 30ft FPA & coal containers and we’d have 1990s household coal tied up nicely. thanks The MoD ones are the former Procor/Kellys built by Procor to a different design and was available as an etched kit from A1 many years ago! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Very nice and I do very much like that - much as with all your wagons so far - that full and varied rakes are available all in one swoop. You can't help thinking that some of the other manufacturers have missed a very obvious trick by not offering wagon sets - firstly from a sales viewpoint they make for very attractive and irresistible eye-candy, while secondly are of course very useful for the modeller. Super stuff! Definitely DRS and British Gypsum sets when I get around to ordering. Edited March 25, 2019 by YesTor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 hours ago, YesTor said: Very nice and I do very much like that - much as with all your wagons so far - that full and varied rakes are available all in one swoop. You can't help thinking that some of the other manufacturers have missed a very obvious trick by not offering wagon sets - firstly from a sales viewpoint they make for very attractive and irresistible eye-candy, while secondly are of course very useful for the modeller. Super stuff! Definitely DRS and British Gypsum sets when I get around to ordering. Hornby did try that for a few years in the early 2000s. Albeit, each year, you would see a set of 3 wagons but with different running numbers. I built up an entire train Vee tanks, all numbered differently, compliemented a little with Lima and Bachmann PCAs. Back to topic, did these PFAs get as far as Ireland or was it only the containers that was sent over? And if the latter, was there an equivalent Irish wagon waiting for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted March 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, JSpencer said: Back to topic, did these PFAs get as far as Ireland or was it only the containers that was sent over? And if the latter, was there an equivalent Irish wagon waiting for them? The containers made it but were mainly road hauled on the Irish side 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) On 23/03/2019 at 10:15, SouthernMafia said: Nice, any chance of those Gypsum containers being made available as a separate product? I was wondering the same about the Cawood containers. I have ordered the full lot of 12 but maybe could do with one or two more packs to take the rake to a more realistic 15/18 wagons. Was thinking about buying 1 or 2 British Fuel packs, and if the containers were available separately, swap out the BF ones for the Cawoods. I wouldn’t need to mess about renumbering wagons as a result. 66738 Edited March 25, 2019 by 66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 23/03/2019 at 10:01, adb968008 said: Now boys if you need any suggestions what to do next... No one so far has done a Binliner (Waste / refuge train) At least you stopped short of 'refugee!' 14 hours ago, gridwatcher said: Great choice..... give me a shout for the next idea....it'll have 16 wheels! Do NOT commission The F***, repeat clearly: Do - NOT - commission - The F***. 9 hours ago, YesTor said: You can't help thinking that some of the other manufacturers have missed a very obvious trick by not offering wagon sets - firstly from a sales viewpoint they make for very attractive and irresistible eye-candy, while secondly are of course very useful for the modeller. Heljan offered their Catfish (?) as a four-pack, Hornby has done numerous bundles, and only yesterday I hoovered up a Bachmann/ TMC 6-piece comprising weathered 16T mineral wagons. I think it's very much a case-by-case thing. Accurascale's choices of prototype, most of which are operated in block train consists, particularly lend themselves to this type of retailing. But it's certainly not confined to Accurascale, all the major players have their eyes on the different sales strategies available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, JSpencer said: Hornby did try that for a few years in the early 2000s. Albeit, each year, you would see a set of 3 wagons but with different running numbers. I built up an entire train Vee tanks, all numbered differently, compliemented a little with Lima and Bachmann PCAs. Back to topic, did these PFAs get as far as Ireland or was it only the containers that was sent over? And if the latter, was there an equivalent Irish wagon waiting for them? They were transhipped to waiting vessels at whichever port was currently being used; Cardiff was one, Ellesmere Port another. I have seen them on board a small ship from Cardiff, (owned by Coastal Shipping, IIRC) from the end of Penarth Pier. No idea if they ever proceeded by rail in Ireland; I suspect it would be by road. There was another operator, Kelly's, who used to send containers from various Welsh sources; however, they simply tipped the load into the ship, rather than transferring the container, which is a bit odd. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: They were transhipped to waiting vessels at whichever port was currently being used; Cardiff was one, Ellesmere Port another. I have seen them on board a small ship from Cardiff, (owned by Coastal Shipping, IIRC) from the end of Penarth Pier. No idea if they ever proceeded by rail in Ireland; I suspect it would be by road. There was another operator, Kelly's, who used to send containers from various Welsh sources; however, they simply tipped the load into the ship, rather than transferring the container, which is a bit odd. The idea behind the Cawoods being containerised was to avoid handling after loading at the colliery. This was to reduce breakage when being loaded into ships and then grabbed to discharge, leading to loss of value when sold as Lynemouth was loading them with high value house coal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The South Wales traffic was mainly anthracite, not as friable as bituminous coal, but rather more valuable. Was the Kelly's traffic anthracite duff for briquettes, I wonder? Swansea used to deal with lots of that in the days of unfitted (and leaky) open minerals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: The South Wales traffic was mainly anthracite, not as friable as bituminous coal, but rather more valuable. Was the Kelly's traffic anthracite duff for briquettes, I wonder? Swansea used to deal with lots of that in the days of unfitted (and leaky) open minerals. one was on the back of a train in the last 4 weeks on a train to & from Onllwyn wash plant 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The Kelly's container traffic using the Procor built PFAs was from Onllwyn to Swansea Docks, for onward movement by Coastal Shipping, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, 'CHARD said: Do NOT commission The F***, repeat clearly: Do - NOT - commission - The F***. Pay no attention to him. He doesn’t have to buy it if he doesn’t want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Pay no attention to him. He doesn’t have to buy it if he doesn’t want it. Go and lobby Barwell for one; let Accurascale focus on things us Waverlites need - like Sturgeons and Class 100 Gloucesters 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, 'CHARD said: Go and lobby Barwell for one; let Accurascale focus on things us Waverlites need - like Sturgeons and Class 100 Gloucesters And the other 16 wheelers, the P*** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_B Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: The MoD ones are the former Procor/Kellys built by Procor to a different design and was available as an etched kit from A1 many years ago! Unfortunately, whilst you can get Plastic and Brass kits for the wagons there's only laser cut wood for the containers. I wasn't satisfied with the results when I painted them. C-Rail would be much better, but Arran doesn't feel there's enough of a market to make it worthwhile. Ian_B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugs Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) No way I can resist these! Full DRS set ordered. Perfect for short layout shunting. Any chance of doing the MoD variants? I would have an awful lot of those! Edited March 25, 2019 by Tugs Typos! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tugs said: No way I can resist these! Full DRS set ordered. Perfect for short layout shunting. Any chance of doing the MoD variants? I would have an awful lot of those! The MoD ones were the 'Kellys' one, which were different to the Cawoods ones:- https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/kellyspfa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 804 this time with the door end 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
definate maybe Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 . Great announcement and one i didnt see coming. I dont suppose there is an N gauge tie up planned is there? I know some of your releases have been done in partnership with other suppliers in the smaller size Regards Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 25/03/2019 at 07:50, JSpencer said: Back to topic, did these PFAs get as far as Ireland or was it only the containers that was sent over? And if the latter, was there an equivalent Irish wagon waiting for them? 22 hours ago, Fat Controller said: They were transhipped to waiting vessels at whichever port was currently being used; Cardiff was one, Ellesmere Port another. I have seen them on board a small ship from Cardiff, (owned by Coastal Shipping, IIRC) from the end of Penarth Pier. No idea if they ever proceeded by rail in Ireland; I suspect it would be by road. I'm no expert, but with the Irish Standard Gauge being 5' 3" then the wagons couldn't have operated on the Irish rail system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 26, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, definate maybe said: . Great announcement and one i didnt see coming. I dont suppose there is an N gauge tie up planned is there? I know some of your releases have been done in partnership with other suppliers in the smaller size Regards Mark Hi Mark, Best course of action there is to lobby the manufacturers we have done N gauge tie ups with already. You might persuade one of them! Cheers, Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted March 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2019 Fran and all at IRM towers, Great work - yes N would be fun as well ! However do I spot a bit of a crossover , looking at the Ballina - Limerick coal flows in Rails through the West the containers do look the same - You know you want to and sell coal containers on there own ... Cheers Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Damo666 said: I'm no expert, but with the Irish Standard Gauge being 5' 3" then the wagons couldn't have operated on the Irish rail system. thats right but as the coal is in a container on the wagon then the container can cross the sea on put on another wagon in Ireland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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