Erixtar1992 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, newbryford said: Aside from the (nice) exclusive of seeing it running anywhere other than the confines of Longport, if there's one thing that grinds my gears, it's the clattering away of a camera shutter next to a video..................... Mute it and play a 66 clip at the same time lol 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I couldnt help but laugh at the amount of people ive seen moaning at the bodysides. they dont seem to understand that the loco is just in primer with little filler, im sure when it goes to arlington’s it will come out looking straight. bet if you stripped most other locos theyd be the same 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted February 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Talltim said: Running on the Severn Valley Railway And for once all those models where you can't turn the loco tail lights off and they light up the front wagon bright red will be right... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, Erixtar1992 said: I couldnt help but laugh at the amount of people ive seen moaning at the bodysides. they dont seem to understand that the loco is just in primer with little filler, im sure when it goes to arlington’s it will come out looking straight. bet if you stripped most other locos theyd be the same Even 66s have rippled bodysides......................... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, newbryford said: Even 66s have rippled bodysides......................... Most things that are made of thin sheet metal and have hard working lives will do... Its one of those "almost " unmodellable things I only said "almost " because no doubt someone, somewhere has done it to perfection.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Talltim said: Running on the Severn Valley Railway The Shark seemed to be tripping over itself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 15 hours ago, Wolf27 said: Amateurs! Ya dont wanna do it like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 22/10/2020 at 03:16, MGR Hooper! said: Never said that they needed to re-tool the Class 56. It's a superb model as is and if at all any improvements are to be made it's the radiator grilles that need to almost flush with the roof and it probably needs an upgrade to the DCC socket. What I said was with CAD already in existence, it's much cheaper to modify the CAD and then have the tooling slides made to have a Class 69. Needs a new body tool through out is my guess.. totally different roof, different cab, different body side.. you could use the chassis and the cab windows I suppose ? A bit more to go off than a class 74 or class 88, in that the class 69 kepts its bogies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) On 19/10/2020 at 21:31, jools1959 said: The Class 58’s that were scrapped last year are those that went to Spain though not all got chopped. Those stored at Alizay depot in France are in poor condition, robbed of their copper wiring. Not sure that matters...You only need the bogies / frames. Theres not much inside a class 56 thats still in a 69 from the looks of it. As there is a shortage of diesels, high emissions specs, grandfathered rebuilds look the future. I was thinking what a rebuilt 58 could look like, my thoughts are a class 66 body profile inbetween two class 58 cabs, with a class 66 innards. I might be wrong, but wasnt the class 58 cab controls used as the design for the 59 to appease unions/easy acceptence, and hence the starting point for the 66 ? - dont know if true, or even if it matters.. cab interior of 58 here https://www.mattypsrailwaypics.com/class-58.html class 66 here https://www.railwaymedia.co.uk/Rail/Miscellaneous/Interiors/66/ I wonder though, if a class 57 could someday end up as a rebuild of a rebuild...a frankenbodysnatcheduff ? Edited February 16, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Theres not much inside a class 56 thats still in a 69 from the looks of it. As there is a shortage of diesels, high emissions specs, grandfathered rebuilds look the future. ? Still one or two on the line at Toton. Not in the best of nick like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: ? Still one or two on the line at Toton. Not in the best of nick like. Thats the nub though.. iirc they are owned by someone who inherited them from BR, on a Privatisation promise to give them up to other operators should they not be required, an aimed targetted to stoke competition... their continued retention starves other operators, until their condition is so poor they are only good for scrap, which is arguably opposite of that intention. Leaving them overseas only makes it harder, ive no idea if anything compells them to be returned, except maybe 58050,even that might only be a moral obligation. Edited February 16, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I guess DB didn’t want to get rid of any of the Demics at this point but had they done so , the slight more modern design of the 60 may have been easier to reengineer ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rob D2 said: I guess DB didn’t want to get rid of any of the Demics at this point but had they done so , the slight more modern design of the 60 may have been easier to reengineer ? This is a very big generalisation (way bigger than locomotives), and maybe the 60s are old enough so that it doesn't apply, but often older designs of things in general are easier to reengineer due to their initial simplicity and not every component depending precisely on every other component, all integrated together throughout. Edited February 16, 2021 by Reorte 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 16/02/2021 at 20:07, rob D2 said: I guess DB didn’t want to get rid of any of the Demics at this point but had they done so , the slight more modern design of the 60 may have been easier to reengineer ? Modern technology is harder / costlier to reengineer than old mechanical stuff. At a minimum you can just replace a mechanical interior space with modern tech gadgets. Rebuilding Spitfires and DC3s vs an Airbus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2021 The 58 would have been far easier as the 66 cab is based on the 58 one. The cab on the 69 is just a mess. Stems from having the 59 approved by ASLEF they made the cab of it virtually identical to the then current 58. Mind whoever approved a controller which went the opposite way to everything else should have been shot! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 That controller was the standard EMD fit on their SD40-2. On this loco it is situated at a diagonal angle on the other side of the cab. The engineer has a swivel seat to allow for driving in either direction. When going short hood forward, the power handle is pulled backwards. On the 59 this translates to pushing the handle forward to apply power. I managed to talk myself into the cab of a CSX SD40-2 which was stopped on the main line in Folkston, Georgia a few years ago. Very cluttered cab for the crew of three and most of the gauges had the GE logo on them.... John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Video of 69001 on test at SVR 14 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Sounds 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Who'd have thought there was a way to make a 66 sound really good. If only Ed had known this back in 1997, he could have hollowed out all his 47s and 56s..... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2021 Some people might think its old fashioned . It basically has the shape of a 1960s 47 but as long as it does the job and its giving employment in UK good on them . I think it looks pretty good , and it'll look even better in GBRf blue . Maybe someone can produce a model . I can't see Hornby altering their 56 . I suppose they could update their old Mainline /Railroad version but hopefully do it correctly rather than just repainting a 56 GBRf blue and calling it a 69. Given that no ones produced an 88 yet it maybe that a class of 10 is not viable to produce in model form . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Some of the model companies in USA design the tooling so that a changed nose and roof would be easy to incorporate with a 56 to be able to produce a 69. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AMJ said: Some of the model companies in USA design the tooling so that a changed nose and roof would be easy to incorporate with a 56 to be able to produce a 69. A bit like an Accurascale Deltic then? Their upcoming models have different noses and roof panels. Edited March 9, 2021 by newbryford typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Is this going to be the fate of many former Mainline 56’s? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2021 For the sake of the surviving 56s I hope its not a great success as they will go after the rest of them. As I've said before the 58 would probably have been a better starting point 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 5 hours ago, AMJ said: Sounds Somebody’s loaded the wrong sound file ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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