MarcD Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I have two 900mm x 400mm and 4 brand new peco short points, and I'm not sure where I should go. I have three ideas. Idea 1: Small iron ore mine. Using two points. Based on a pit in the Furness Ore Field near Askam-in-Furness. Loading ore wagons Idea 2: Small factory. Using all the points Idea 3: Goods/Coal yard with a surprise level crossing. Based on White Swan Yard in Great Yarmouth I don't have any preference of which one to go for. So any suggestions would be helpful. Marc 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Marc, Pleased to see you embarking on this project. I will be following with great interest as I had almost an identical space available and have had similar thoughts around a scheme using those Peco setrack turnouts. Personally, I really like the White Swan Yard prototype. No doubt you will have seen the layout in the GOG's first small layout booklet based on this. Will you be able to fit that trackplan into the space you have available? I would imagine the location of the baseboard joint will be a critical factor. Having said that, any of your ideas would be very interesting. I think the iron ore proposal would also be fascinating and would certainly be a little more unique. It's not a prototype you often see modelled. The baseboards look like laser-cut kits of you don't mind me asking, who are they produced by? They look fantastic. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, south_tyne said: The baseboards look like laser-cut kits of you don't mind me asking, who are they produced by? They look fantastic. The makers name is laser-etched onto the boards in the photos! Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I think this would make a great little layout for O gauge using Peco Set-track points, but you will have to do some trimming to make them fit: 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 To modify the points, I would recommend cutting back 5 sleepers from both parts of the diverging routes. This will reduce them in length by about 8cm each and give you more room to work. (Image from Tower Models website) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 With the points trimmed as suggested above, the layout would look more like this: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 You can probably just squeeze and Inglenook type layout into that space too: 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 The base boards are from grainge and holder. Very quick and easy to put together. I was going to use them for a scale 7project but there is not sufficient room to get your hand in for 3 link coupling so that one will need some hand built boards. So in the mean time. The inglenook I think is the way forward as other wise it's going to look cluttered. The mine option also allows me to run North Eastern stock as the mines in North Yorkshire were very similar. The yard option allows me to run what ever loco I have as long as the wagons match the location. As does the factory. The buildings I have don't really work with the space I don't think. Unless I installed a wagon turntable. But then you get the question of can you run a loco over a wagon turntable? Marc 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, daifly said: The makers name is laser-etched onto the boards in the photos! Dave Ooops sorry, what a muppet I am in my defence, I was viewing on my phone so it is difficult to spot! 3 hours ago, hartleymartin said: I think this would make a great little layout for O gauge using Peco Set-track points, but you will have to do some trimming to make them fit: That's the one Martin - it's a cracking little plan. I think it makes a smashing layout and a little different to the standard inglenook design, obviously with the added bonus of a run-round loop to increase operational potential. With the two sidings, there are plenty of 'spots' to shunt and you could utilise a card system for shunting and placing wagons. Your advice about trimming those setrack points is a useful space saving tip! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, Furness Wagon said: The base boards are from grainge and holder. Very quick and easy to put together. I was going to use them for a scale 7project but there is not sufficient room to get your hand in for 3 link coupling so that one will need some hand built boards. So in the mean time. The inglenook I think is the way forward as other wise it's going to look cluttered. The mine option also allows me to run North Eastern stock as the mines in North Yorkshire were very similar. The yard option allows me to run what ever loco I have as long as the wagons match the location. As does the factory. The buildings I have don't really work with the space I don't think. Unless I installed a wagon turntable. But then you get the question of can you run a loco over a wagon turntable? Marc Thanks Marc. The baseboards look absolutely smashing. The inglenook sounds like a good plan and as ever it has lots of operating potential. The option for modelling the North Yorkshire ironstone mines sounds very interesting. Presumably it would be based on a prototype set in the Cleveland Hills? What kind of era are you basing the layout in? The advantage of a factory setting is that it would probably offer the chance to run a wider variety of rolling stock. Obviously it depends on what the factory produces but if it was an engineering firm or a food/drink manufacturer (chocolate or beer anyone!?) then there would be chance to run a variety of vans and open wagons to move the raw materials and the finished product. Then there would be a requirement for coal for power and heat etc, so it could be very varied. It would also offer the chance to be more flexible with regard to era, location and what the finished product of the factory is - it means you could have a number of different operating sessions where you could change stock to suit. I quite like the buildings you have, although you may have to shuffle them about to look at various options for best placement - that's a major advantage of planning at 1:1 scale and in 3d, where you can see how things work in reality rather than just on paper! A wagon turntable would offer some interest, both visually and operationally, particularly if you can get it to work! I have seen it done before, even in 4mm scale, with clever use of hand shunting to draw wagons into factory buildings once manaouvered on the turntable. Anyway, just some of my waffling thoughts. Really interesting little project. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2019 I always liked Alexandra Yard, on a LNWR theme, as a good little layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) Another variation on the Inglenook. You need to trim the point on the left-hand board to make it fit, but if you stick to small 9ft wheelbase wagons and an industrial loco, it should work in the space you have. I am pretty sure you can get "Wild Swan Yard" into the space you have. It will be a matter of deciding on siding lengths and clearances. You will most certainly have to trim all the points to make it all fit. Just remember that there is about an inch of plain track beyond the switch blades which gives you a little extra room. It is all about making sure that everything fits "just so" to make it work in a micro-layout. Edited April 9, 2019 by hartleymartin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 My hand was forced and I have made a decision. And before anyone says anything I have had a sit down and a cup of tea to get over the shock. I have found a card building kit for a factory "W.C. Boggs and Son Sanitary Ware Manufacturers". If you Google WC Boggs you find its also the name of the factory in Carry on at you Convenience. As for the track plan I'm going to use the attached plan from the GOG small layouts book 1. Not sure how buildings re going fit so things might need a bit of a giggle. Also i need to work out the traverser as it might mean I need to raise the track level to get it to work. As for a name it has to be "Wm. C. Boggs and Son". Marc 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Nothing wrong with some cinematic nostalgia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 A bit of a squeeze on 90cm x 40cm baseboards, but you can certainly manage it. On this plan the left-hand point on the top-left will need the curved diverging road trimmed by about 80mm, and a peace set-track curve trimmed a similar amount, or flex-track used. Of course, the top-right left-handed point can also be trimmed, but I think that the little extra length may prove useful in this scenario. I cannot help but think that a wye-point of matching radius would be a useful addition to the range (hint, hint, Peco!) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 On 09/04/2019 at 08:17, Furness Wagon said: The buildings I have don't really work with the space I don't think. Unless I installed a wagon turntable. But then you get the question of can you run a loco over a wagon turntable? Marc Yes you could run a small 0-6-0 or a small 0-4-0 over the wagon turntable. I agree with your early comment that the pelmet is too low for 7mm. An alternative source of lase cut base board kits is Tim Horn - https://timhorn.co.uk/ Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 The pelmet is a bit on the low side, but if you were to have the layout reasonably high up, you could work it like a proscenium arch picture-frame style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted April 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, hartleymartin said: A bit of a squeeze on 90cm x 40cm baseboards, but you can certainly manage it Just passing this way and saw your plan. Don't think it fits? The ST725 does not mate with the point! Maybe there is another bit that does? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, imt said: Just passing this way and saw your plan. Don't think it fits? The ST725 does not mate with the point! Maybe there is another bit that does? The placement reflects what happens when you trim about 80mm off the diverging road and a similar amount on the curved set-track piece, as noted in my post. Unfortunately, my track-planning software doesn't allow me to do the trimming digitally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted April 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, hartleymartin said: The placement reflects what happens when you trim about 80mm off the diverging road I thought I should mind my own business! I had similar problems on my layout mixing Peco SetTrack and Streamline - fortunately my package lets me create fillets and stick them in. Good luck with your project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I have found even in OO scale, that trimming RTR points slightly often lets you squeeze a bit of extra length or helps give you better track geometry without having to completely hand-build everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 I have ordered 4 set track curves which should be here by the end of the week, so the flexi track will just be used for straights. Behind the low relief buildings on the right hand side will have a cassette that can be fed through the end. It's big enough for 3x16ft long wagons and a loco he size of a terrier. The tube will be a storage tank. As for the point work should only have to be trimmed as it crosses the board joint and to allow the frogs to be polarised for DCC operations. Also I'm using a right hand point instead of the left for the kick back siding. Marc 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) I have now got the factory building kits and the curves so I have got a bit further with the mock up. Still not sure about the building on the right hand side that will cover the cassette. I think is needs to be twice as high. Also I'm thinking that a bridge of some sort to brake up the entry to the cassette? Other options on the buildings on the right hand side could be a tank farm of some sort or a bottle kiln and associated buildings. Marc Edited April 27, 2019 by Furness Wagon not the correct photo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Are you limited to those two boards for the whole layout? You could have a road bridge at the end of the layout and then have a "Fiddle-stick" going through the mouse-hole in the end baseboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 I would like to have everything self contained with in the boards if possible as there is limited space in both the workshop and in the car if and when I hit the road with it. If I cut the scenic area back to the 1200mm line and just have the fiddle yard open the problem does actually go away. The mine option did require a cassette external to the boards and that was one of the reasons it was discounted. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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