GWR Loco Names - Why not Houses?

[Arun Sharma]

18 minutes ago, Reorte said:

 

Could be worse, they could've gone for this one:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=382875&Y=579924&A=Y&Z=115

 

Well known of course to anyone who has traversed that particular section of the Pennine Way south of Bellingham- though Wainwright does remark that the house was previously known as "Shotlyngton Hall".

[Bernard Lamb]

37 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Many years ago Alan Williams (I think possibly not credited by name) suggested in a seasonal article that Swindon should really have had a Cottage class of pannier tanks.

Sounds good, as long as the crew were not referred to as cottagers.

Bernard

[Wickham Green]

15 hours ago, APOLLO said:

I never saw this GW Hall !!!!

 

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/index.cfm#zoom=18&lat=53.5364&lon=-2.4164&layers=168&b=1

 

Brit15

It was suggested in one of the mags - many, many years ago - that he last of them should have been called "That's Hall" .....

[Welchester]

8 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

The carol "Deck the halls with boughs of holly" clearly refers to yuletide celebrations at Old Oak Common - a druidical-sounding place if ever there was one.

 

I've seen a Manor decked with boughs of holly, but not a Hall.

 

 

[melmerby]

That's been bulled up somewhat.

White buffers, white couplings, white smokebox fittings and even white guard irons!

Edited April 15, 2019 by melmerby

[Bernard Lamb]

I was born in a palace and now live in a house built in what was the orchard of a hall.

Danbury and Corner respectively.

Unfortunately neither was deemed worthy of being in line for a locomotive name.

Danbury was too far up a steep hill to attract a railway proposal but Corner Hall was served by Heath Park halt.

Bernard

[Compound2632]

Other lines went for mountains, lochs, and rivers - much more romantic. 

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

Other lines went for mountains, lochs, and rivers - much more romantic. 

Prior to the 4-6-0s the Western had quite a variety of names

There were "King Arthur" based names, Rivers, Birds, Geographical locations, Countries, Flowers, Boer War and all manner of other subjects but named more randomly.

[Compound2632]

9 hours ago, melmerby said:

... all manner of other subjects but named more randomly.

 

For that, go North Western!

[duncan]

& dome, certainly improves it   

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, duncan said:

& dome, certainly improves it   

Like this:

[Compound2632]

Ah, No. 3258 is from the little-known Reptile class. Other members included The Crocodile, The Turtle, The Gecko, and my favourite, The Chameleon. The latter was noted for its ability to change livery to blend in with its surroundings. Not the only Great Western locomotive to be able to do so: here's one evidently trying to blend in somewhere around Shrewsbury or Chester; and here's another caught unawares in the carriage sidings...

[newbryford]

I cannot recall one named B&gger Hall...........

[JimC]

It was only really in Collett's day that the same naming was kept right across a class. Saints were variously Ladies, Saints, Courts,  GWR directors and names from Scott Novels etc ex Broad gauge., and Stars Stars, Knights, Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses and Abbeys  (the last of which were renewed as Castles).

 

[Welly]

On 14/04/2019 at 21:51, johnofwessex said:

What about Radclyffe Hall?

Is that close to Trowbridge? 

[johnofwessex]

On 19/04/2019 at 15:48, Welly said:

Is that close to Trowbridge? 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radclyffe_Hall

 

Radclyffe Hall

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Marguerite Radclyffe Hall (12 August 1880 – 7 October 1943) was an English poet and author. She is best known for the novel The Well of Loneliness, a groundbreaking work in lesbian literature.

[Clearwater]

On 19/04/2019 at 09:44, JimC said:

It was only really in Collett's day that the same naming was kept right across a class. Saints were variously Ladies, Saints, Courts,  GWR directors and names from Scott Novels etc ex Broad gauge., and Stars Stars, Knights, Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses and Abbeys  (the last of which were renewed as Castles).

 

 

With the Castles remaining a complete mismatch of aircraft, Abbeys, Earls, individuals, Regiments, Stars and other eclectic names!

[Welchester]

On 19/04/2019 at 09:44, JimC said:

It was only really in Collett's day that the same naming was kept right across a class. Saints were variously Ladies, Saints, Courts,  GWR directors and names from Scott Novels etc ex Broad gauge., and Stars Stars, Knights, Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses and Abbeys  (the last of which were renewed as Castles).

 

 

Of 2905 it was remarked at the time that only the GWR would class Lady Macbeth as a Saint.

[The Johnster]

Presumably alongside the 'hut' class of 0-4-2Ts, and the 'tin shed' Swansea Dock pugs...

 

One would have to model a 'cottage' class pannier with a thatched cab roof, I imagine.

 

Diesel railcars could perhaps have been the 'garage' class!

[MPR]

48 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

Diesel railcars could perhaps have been the 'garage' class!

There are plenty of "sheds" on the Western these days.

[locoholic]

I'm struggling to think of any loco named after a stately "house".

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, locoholic said:

I'm struggling to think of any loco named after a stately "house".

LNER Class B 17 No. 61621 was "Hatfield House", 61628 was "Harewood House".

For some reason the class namer "Sandringham" didn't have the appendage "House" although that is it's official name, likewise several others in the class.

Edited April 23, 2019 by melmerby

[ejstubbs]

Given that the choice of names for the actual locomotives seemed often to stray quite far from the theme of the class name, did the GWR officially name the locomotive classes (I thought they tended to stick to numbers), or were they unofficial terms used by railway employees and/or enthusiasts based on the first batch of names?  In the same way that BR Classes 44, 45 and 46 were nicknamed Peaks.  (Come to think, even that wouldn't work, given that the first batch of Saints were actually named after Ladies.)

 

Not that this was something confined to the GWR.  A number of Duchesses were named after cities, after all.  And the class was (possibly/probably/maybe depending on who you believe) officially called the Princess Coronation class.

[JimC]

7 minutes ago, ejstubbs said:

did the GWR officially name the locomotive classes

 

Class names appear in locomotive committee minutes at least in the 1930s and 40s where they are approving the renewals for the next year, so that's pretty official:-)

[melmerby]

7 minutes ago, JimC said:

 

Class names appear in locomotive committee minutes at least in the 1930s and 40s where they are approving the renewals for the next year, so that's pretty official:-)

And the names allocated to unbuilt members are in many cases known.

 

e.g. new build 6880 "Betton Grange" has AFAIK taken the name of the next allocated member of the class.

Edited April 23, 2019 by melmerby