Guest LU Standard Stock Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Edwardian said: Early SR, i.e. large "S R" lettering as opposed to small 1936 lettering, will also require the design changes I mentioned. Late SR would continue to use the version we've seen. Luckily it's late SR that I need for my layout, the SECR one would be for display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, LU Standard Stock said: Luckily it's late SR that I need for my layout, the SECR one would be for display. Well, my advice to you would be to pre-order as soon as any further late SR ones are announced! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: Early SR, i.e. large "S R" lettering as opposed to small 1936 lettering, will also require the design changes I mentioned. Late SR would continue to use the version we've seen. Do we know exactly when the Hills Brake was changed to Freighter ? ..... I'd guess fairly early in Southern days so large 'SR' and Freighter would probably be OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Do we know exactly when the Hills Brake was changed to Freighter ? ..... I'd guess fairly early in Southern days so large 'SR' and Freighter would probably be OK. I think we can be confident that if that was the case, Rails would have issued a version in that livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 We can probably be confident that Rails are no wiser than the rest of us concerning exact dates and thought it prudent to avoid any potential low-flying brickbats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 You both make fair points! The examples of which we are aware show a change to RCH/Freighter brakes in the late '30s, though one in departmental use hadn't been repainted, so remained in very tatty pre-'36 livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: We can probably be confident that Rails are no wiser than the rest of us concerning exact dates and thought it prudent to avoid any potential low-flying brickbats. Rails can be no wiser than their wisest advisors! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Rails can be no wiser than their wisest advisors! Well, Guy and I considered all we could find on the subject; if someone can offer more information, I may be left none the wiser, but at least I'll be better informed! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Been so long that I can't remember what card I put the pre-order on. Hope it is still valid. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, autocoach said: Been so long that I can't remember what card I put the pre-order on. Hope it is still valid. as of This friday its only been 6 months since it was announced so not that log Edited October 16, 2019 by mozzer models 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 For those interested in the van, it is discussed in an interview (middle section) that Andy Y has just posted in the terrier topic ... BTW, the reference in the interview to DLS is to the technology/process, rather than to the material. The 3D print manufacturer was present just off camera, having come to show support. I know that the Rails vans have been shown by the print manufacturer at trade shows for other industry sectors they serve, e.g. automotive, where it provides a great example of what the technology can achieve, indeed, I'm told that the van has even exceeded the expectations of the manufacturers of the technology. So there you go, our hobby at the cutting edge. 5 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2019 The roof impressed Andy and he said it looked just like a plastic injection moulding even though the tech was different. I'll be interested in how this new material takes weathering products. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) We are pleased to announce that the first of our exclusive BR (exSECR) box vans has arrived! RL-1424-002 BR (ex-SE&CR) Diagram 1424 Box Van, No. S45382, Southern Railway brown with BR lettering has just been delivered. We are currently processing orders where customers have pre-ordered this specific van on its own. Orders from customers who have pre-ordered more than one version are currently being held until other models arrive. These are expected over the next few weeks. We currently are not taking further orders for any version. Should stock become available we will advertise this on our website and newsletter. Many thanks to everyone who did place an order, we hope you will be really happy with your purchase when you receive in due course. Edited October 21, 2019 by Oliver Rails 15 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trofimow Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2019 Well, Mr Postie just delivered.... I am impressed at the quality that has been achieved for a 3D printed item. It's not quite up there with an injection moulded item, but it's pretty good. There is visible banding on the handbrake levers, but that's the only area where the process shows itself. The only real criticism is that the buffers are not quite level and point upwards slightly, but that is being picky. I'd certainly have no hestation in buying future products made this way. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2019 Any idea how much this wagon weighs please ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Trofimow Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2019 38g 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Trofimow said: 38g I just weighed a whitemetal kit van of similar size - 54 g sans wheels and (plasticard) roof. The rule of thumb according to some is 25 g per axle but that's thinking of compensated or sprung vehicles for EM/P4 - in any case, I think this is respectably heavier than the run-of-the-mill RTR wagon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 21/10/2019 at 12:15, Oliver Rails said: We currently are not taking further orders for any version. Should stock become available we will advertise this on our website and newsletter. That has got to be good news for them, all types sold out on pre-order. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: I just weighed a whitemetal kit van of similar size - 54 g sans wheels and (plasticard) roof. The rule of thumb according to some is 25 g per axle but that's thinking of compensated or sprung vehicles for EM/P4 - in any case, I think this is respectably heavier than the run-of-the-mill RTR wagon. A few unmodified examples immediately to hand: Bachmann GWR MOGO van: 41g. Hornby SR Maunsell cattle wagon: 43g. Hornby LNER Toad B brake van: 37g. John Edited October 26, 2019 by Dunsignalling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 My 2 BR grey versions arrived this morning. They look fantastic. Great job rails I think I might treat myself to a set of BR brown ones if they become available again. big James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Big James said: I think I might treat myself to a set of BR brown ones if they become available again. Be careful there; you might end up with more than BR had... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Welcome to the future... just arrived today, imho these are right up there with injection moulded.. very nice printed finish, if you didnt know they were 3D printed you couldnt tell... Note the printed drawbar hook, even includes a hole in the hook I was not expecting a 3D printed chassis, i was thinking it was going to be a standard wagon chassis.. note the delicacy of the printed door grab handle, and also the indentations in the wagon brake lever... also note the printed [edit] horse hooks [\edit] on the frame under the door.. My buffers align nicely... This is to be applauded and hope this shows light into the future of modelling, being able to make unique wagons commercially, printed, painted and rtr finished ! There is a world of potential... it may to prove to be that Hattons generic 4 wheelers are short lived ! Edited October 28, 2019 by adb968008 14 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: ....... also note the printed handle on the frame under the door.. ........... horse hooks ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 19 hours ago, adb968008 said: Welcome to the future... just arrived today, imho these are right up there with injection moulded.. very nice printed finish, if you didnt know they were 3D printed you couldnt tell... Note the printed drawbar hook, even includes a hole in the hook I was not expecting a 3D printed chassis, i was thinking it was going to be a standard wagon chassis.. note the delicacy of the printed door grab handle, and also the indentations in the wagon brake lever... also note the printed [edit] horse hooks [\edit] on the frame under the door.. My buffers align nicely... This is to be applauded and hope this shows light into the future of modelling, being able to make unique wagons commercially, printed, painted and rtr finished ! There is a world of potential... it may to prove to be that Hattons generic 4 wheelers are short lived ! Wow, that is some review. I think everyone involved in the project: the CAD designer, the factory, Dapol, Rails and Dr Guy Rixon will be chuffed to read your reaction; I certainly am. Thank you. Most importantly, I'm so glad you are pleased with them. Things like the door handle and the horse hook you just couldn't do with injection moulding. I saw the production vans at York earlier this month, but I don't actually have these models myself yet, so it is really good to see your pictures of them. For products that can sell in the identical thousands, 3D-print is no substitute for injection-moulding, which allows for a much lower per-unit cost, provided you can ammortise the very heavy up-front tooling costs. But with 3D printing, we can make things that otherwise could not be made; the challenge is to make commercially viable at a cost the consumer can accept. This van was produced to a batch size that reflected the optimum size for the best unit price; sadly if we print more, they don't become any cheaper! 17 hours ago, Wickham Green said: ........... horse hooks ! My favourite bit. When I saw this feature on a chassis test print, that was my moment of truth in terms of what this new tech and material could do. I always point this out to people and never shut up about it!, 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 All we need now is a 3D working horse to pull the wagons The extreme close ups of the images in the review do show the wagon to be a print but from normal distances and other images seen I expect they will look to all intents and purposes like a normal model wagon. I am looking forward to getting my two. 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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