micklner Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Photos from the latest Hornby Engine Shed. Alan Pegler USA Flying Scotsman and new versions of Gresley Corridor Coaches which appear to have a corrected Tumblehome and a good Teak finish. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 25, 2019 Interesting comment Mick; I looked at those pictures too and wondered whether the tumblehome of the coaches had been altered - they certainly look better for some reason, as does the livery application. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Coaches look very good indeed. Is it an optical illusion from the photographs, or does the ski-jump on the A3 no longer look as pronounced? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 The problem with all of above as usual , is they are not the finished items . Scotsman is much better than the last issues, if they arrive like that in due course. Comments on the LNER forum, where I also posted the same photos, are from at least two people so far, the coaches are still "flat" sided . To my eyes the lower side panels have a tumblehome curve , most noticeably at the ends. Again we will have to wait and see , at £53 a pop they have to be good for Hornby's sake to have any hope of selling them !!!. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 hours ago, 31A said: Interesting comment Mick; I looked at those pictures too and wondered whether the tumblehome of the coaches had been altered - they certainly look better for some reason, as does the livery application. I'm sceptical; to correct the problem would also require the underframes to be narrowed. The bogies were also over-width, presumably to match or compensate, so they would need modification or risk looking wrong. Putting them right would at last tempt me to buy some though! The Nim. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, micklner said: Comments on the LNER forum, where I also posted the same photos, are from at least two people so far, the coaches are still "flat" sided . To my eyes the lower side panels have a tumblehome curve , most noticeably at the ends. Again we will have to wait and see , at £53 a pop they have to be good for Hornby's sake to have any hope of selling them !!!. 2 hours ago, Nimbus said: I'm sceptical; to correct the problem would also require the underframes to be narrowed. The bogies were also over-width, presumably to match or compensate, so they would need modification or risk looking wrong. Putting them right would at last tempt me to buy some though! The Nim. I'm sure you're both right, if only for the very good reasons given by The Nim. I just thought it interesting (and perhaps wishful thinking!) that I had thought the same thing as Mick when I looked at the pictures, before he had written his comment on here! Perhaps just as well in some ways, as it would be expensive to replace the 'slab sided' ones that I've got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2019 I would have much preferred the Scotsman wasn’t gold plated but I will still be adding her to my collection. I wonder how easy it will be to make the light work. The coaches paintwork looks much better than previous versions. Enough to make me buy a rake, even though I’m a GWR man haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbeam.20 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Are these the standard UK OO narrow gauge offerings or genuine HO in standard gauge? I believe that there is a world market for the Flying Scotsman in HO. Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, sunbeam.20 said: Are these the standard UK OO narrow gauge offerings or genuine HO in standard gauge? I believe that there is a world market for the Flying Scotsman in HO. Matthew Standard Hornby OO Gauge. Hornby don’t do HO models. That’s their international brands that do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbeam.20 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Since the data is available perhaps it could used under the Rivarossi brand then to create another market. Many Australians and Americans would purchase one. Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, sunbeam.20 said: Since the data is available perhaps it could used under the Rivarossi brand then to create another market. Many Australians and Americans would purchase one. Matthew I doubt they are going to spend £100,000 + to shrink it the body to HO gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 24/05/2019 at 20:33, micklner said: a good Teak finish. I respectfully disagree, Mick. The teak is still the later, disimproved version. I wouldn't want people pre-ordering these in the hope that the disimprovements have been reversed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 28, 2019 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Daddyman said: I respectfully disagree, Mick. The teak is still the later, disimproved version. I wouldn't want people pre-ordering these in the hope that the disimprovements have been reversed. Yes I see your point . Have look here , I have just looked at these links , the photos are vastly different from the above ones, as said earlier what actually turns up in August remains to be seen !! https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/lner-61-6-gresley-corridor-composite-brake-32557-era-3.html Looks much better, no end views so no confirmation shape of Tumblehome Edited May 28, 2019 by micklner 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The teak finish is new. The much maligned third batch after Sander Kan factory stopped Hornby production, had the 'grain' going across panel joints, contributing to the 'MFI' effect. The new stuff seems to be applied 'panel specific'. Still not as good as the original releases, but better than the last stuff. As has been already said however, livery samples and what ends up on the shelves may be completely different. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 Well, looking at that buffet car in the above post, and the BCK in the link to Hornby, you can see the middle beading in the wrong place and the fine wood graining is vertical on the door panels. Those two carriages look all too suspiciously like the first batch! The advice to wait until August is good. I won’t be making any purchase based on any of the images. Rob. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The composite and Buffet pics linked to will be the CGI images that were released when the coaches first came out (albeit with different numbers). The original coaches looked very close to this finish. The new batch IS different, based on the pics on the Engine Shed blog, but IS NOT the pine effect that we saw in the first post-SK batches. The printing has definately changed and improved. But yes lets wait to see how the final product emerges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sncf231e Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Is it just me that finds this locomotive awful with the bling bling gold plated livery. It looks worse than former Franklin Mint locomotive models. Regards Fred 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, micklner said: Yes I see your point . Have look here , I have just looked at these links , the photos are vastly different from the above ones, as said earlier what actually turns up in August remains to be seen !! https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/lner-61-6-gresley-corridor-composite-brake-32557-era-3.html Looks much better, no end views so no confirmation shape of Tumblehome I really can't see them re-tooling at this stage. The fact that the revised teak was allowed out of the factory, and looks like being allowed out again, strongly suggests a disregard for customers' views on these, so it's unlikely they've responded to those same customers' concerns re the tumblehome. If they had, I'm fairly sure they'd have made a song and a dance about it. As it is, these are only fit for one thing - donor models to be used with etched brass sides. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I agree that the loco just looks awful - didn't they do 'Sir Nigel' in a similar manner not so long ago? Didn't like that either. Cheers, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 29/05/2019 at 05:09, Philou said: I agree that the loco just looks awful - didn't they do 'Sir Nigel' in a similar manner not so long ago? Didn't like that either. Cheers, Philip That was Mallard. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 28/05/2019 at 18:00, Daddyman said: As it is, these are only fit for one thing - donor models to be used with etched brass sides. While you are entitled to your views that is a pretty harsh statement. Yes if you are modelling the BR period when they all got painted then its relatively easy to create a fine looking model from etched brass sides - but I don't think I have ever seen anyone carry off a good varnished teak LNER livery (including lining + shaded typeface) via such a method. Much will therefore depend on the decoration on the latest release - is it as good as those initially produced by Sanda Kan over a decade ago? If it is then there are those who will be quite willing to purchase them on that basis regardless of the lack of Tumblehome you and some others seem regard as the be all and end all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Edited May 31, 2019 by micklner 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 MJT sides both on converted Hornby versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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