Ruston Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) A very interesting film that shows mining and quarrying operations of Stewarts & Lloyds, with both standard and narrow gauge featured and with lots of mining equipment in use. https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-iron-ore-in-britain-1956-online Edited May 28, 2019 by Ruston 10 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Dave Thanks for the link, just need to persuade some manufacturers to produce the wagons! Mark 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 Dave, Many thanks for the link. Some of it was filmed very near where I used to live in the last years of iron ore quarrying. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hando Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Awesome! Nice to see Sundew (the giant dragline) in the film as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhOh Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Very interesting thanks, especially as I now live less than a mile from an old mine and not far from North Skelton, the last mine in Cleveland. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 There is a whole series of excellent books on the Cleveland mines most written by Simon Chapman. Which is your closest mine? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: Dave Thanks for the link, just need to persuade some manufacturers to produce the wagons! Mark A particularly interesting hopper wagon closest to the camera at 12.35 Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin Streeting Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 that was a delight to watch.. full of good referance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 5 hours ago, OhOh said: Very interesting thanks, especially as I now live less than a mile from an old mine and not far from North Skelton, the last mine in Cleveland. Most of South Cleveland was very close to the old mines. Even out near Boulby I explored parts of the former workings. Cleveland County Council (as was) produced a book on the workings as well as a map of the known workings. You might be able to access a copy from your local library. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, 1whitemoor said: A particularly interesting hopper wagon closest to the camera at 12.35 Paul A. Purely for educational purposes: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Narrowgaugebeginner said: Awesome! Nice to see Sundew (the giant dragline) in the film as well Don’t think that’s Sundew, the film was made a couple of years before Sundew was completed. More likely the one in the film is the sister W1400 built at Priors Hall quarry in 1952. The site of this quarry has only recently been developed for housing, 40 years after the quarry ceased operations. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: Dave Thanks for the link, just need to persuade some manufacturers to produce the wagons! Mark Accurascale? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 As close as we will get, currently at Rocks by Rail. Sadly all wagons are empty, as we have yet to find willing volunteers to unload the ironstone by hand at the end of the run and get it back to the 'quarry' Jean, with a rake ready for loading at our Mock Quarry by the Face Shovel Sir Thomas Royden takes a 'loaded' rake from the quarry sidings. Next Quarry Day August Bank Holiday Mon Regards Ian 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) On 28/05/2019 at 19:59, Osgood said: Purely for educational purposes: Looks like a relative of these from Charles Roberts! Edited May 30, 2019 by Mark Saunders 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 Fairly flat-sided, so reasonably straightforward to scratchbuild. Hasn’t Geoff Kent done some of these? And where can I get a copy of the drawing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Regularity said: Fairly flat-sided, so reasonably straightforward to scratchbuild. Hasn’t Geoff Kent done some of these? And where can I get a copy of the drawing? There is a whole host of drawings in the Charles Roberts collection in the archives at the NRM at York and photographs in the HMRS collection! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The dragline under construction towards the end would have been the second W1400 being built at Cowthick Quarry in 1955/ 56. Sundew was the third and the fourth was the even bigger W1800 which was built at Oakley Quarry in 1960. Stewart’s and Lloyd’s were prolific in recording the activities of the business and employed a full time photographer for this. The BFI lists a number but few appear available to view - https://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b94697276 when Corby closed, the archive was transferred to the BSC Records Office at Irthlingborough but when that closed, I believe the archives were dispersed, the BFI may well have been the recipients of some. As well as the completed features, there were hundreds of hours of film which never made into any of these. I’d fear that this might well have been lost when the records archive was dispersed. Some, Iron Ore in Britain, Double Harvest, Pluto and one other were, and maybe still are, available on DVD. The filming looks to cover a wide area and not all of it in S&L workings, the Euclid dump trucks seen being loaded are likely to be in the Lincolnshire workings but the Ford dump truck seen crossing the Bailey bridge is at Tilton on the Hill which from memory was owned by Stanton and Staveley. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: There is a whole host of drawings in the Charles Roberts collection in the archives at the NRM at York and photographs in the HMRS collection! Thanks. Do I need to visit, as I can’t find such a collection listed on the NRM website? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 10 hours ago, RANGERS said: The dragline under construction towards the end would have been the second W1400 being built at Cowthick Quarry in 1955/ 56. Sundew was the third and the fourth was the even bigger W1800 which was built at Oakley Quarry in 1960. Stewart’s and Lloyd’s were prolific in recording the activities of the business and employed a full time photographer for this. The BFI lists a number but few appear available to view - https://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b94697276 when Corby closed, the archive was transferred to the BSC Records Office at Irthlingborough but when that closed, I believe the archives were dispersed, the BFI may well have been the recipients of some. As well as the completed features, there were hundreds of hours of film which never made into any of these. I’d fear that this might well have been lost when the records archive was dispersed. Some, Iron Ore in Britain, Double Harvest, Pluto and one other were, and maybe still are, available on DVD. The filming looks to cover a wide area and not all of it in S&L workings, the Euclid dump trucks seen being loaded are likely to be in the Lincolnshire workings but the Ford dump truck seen crossing the Bailey bridge is at Tilton on the Hill which from memory was owned by Stanton and Staveley. Rather than being dispersed, I think the opposite may have happened, and the Archives concentrated in a single location. I remember a friend, who was the Archivist for Wolverhampton Council, saying that local management at one of the Midlands plants, that closed about the same time as Corby's steel-making ceased, had agreed to donate records of the plant to her archives. Before they could be handed over, however, national management intervened and took the lot, ostensibly for a 'central archive'. Whether this was the National Archives at Kew, or some BSC establishment, I'm not sure. If the latter, then it may be in the Sheffield area, or possibly in Glasgow, which handled a lot of BSC 'legacy' activity, such as pensions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: There is a whole host of drawings in the Charles Roberts collection in the archives at the NRM at York and photographs in the HMRS collection! The collection is not listed on the website but I you email the search engine get them email you the document! Book a drawing table in advance ( 5 days) as nothing is scanned and order in advance as you can pre order six rolls of drawings in advance and three on the day. Mark Saunders 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn11post Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Any ideas what the limestone wagons from ~25min are? There seems to be plenty of a 'standard design' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, martyn11post said: Any ideas what the limestone wagons from ~25min are? There seems to be plenty of a 'standard design' Three box calcining wagons taking ore to the calcining clamps for pre treating ore! There are two of these at Rocks by Rail at Cottesmore. Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warspite Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Dave I've only just caught up with this. What a great find, especially for those of us fascinated by the East Midlands ironstone workings. Thanks for the link. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warspite Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 On 28/05/2019 at 21:54, Ian Smeeton said: As close as we will get, currently at Rocks by Rail. Next Quarry Day August Bank Holiday Mon Regards Ian Ian Not sure whether you saw my post on the Rocks by Rail DIG IT day. Are these still available? They are still shown on the website and I can really recommend them. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warspite Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) For those on here interested in the East Midlands ironstone railways, there is an excellent 8 page article on Cranford in the June issue of Railway Bylines. Some wonderful photos - the double page spread on pages 306/7 just has to be modelled! Stephen Edited June 8, 2019 by Warspite 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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