rogerzilla Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I have a motor here from Ebay in a Romford box but it has 3 poles and is utterly indistinguishable from an X.04 - I have two here to compare it with. Did Romford make such a thing, or is is it just an old X.04 that someone tidy-minded has put in the box after upgrading? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Look like an X04 to me. Romford made the Bulldog a direct replacement and looked similar but 5 pole. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Agree Hornby motor, as far as I know only was the MW/MRRC 005 motor was made as a direct replacement. I have had various motors in different boxes ECM fitted a mounting bracket to a Can motor Southeastern Finecast mad a motor mount for the D11 & D13 motors Have an inkling there was another make as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Never believe what it says on the box! I'm 99.9999999% certain that is an XO4 but probably not the original worm gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 Thanks. It was sold as a Romford motor so it's going back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Looks like an X04. However If its a motor in a Romford motor box most people would assume its a Romford motor, sellers as well as buyers. It should have been apparent from the listing photos whether it was 3 pole or 4 pole. Incorrectly listed items are a good source of bargains. I would rather have the three pole X04 than the gutless wonder MW005 and the like. If its a good X04 so I would keep it or sell it on and put it down to experience rather than get combative and try for a refund. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 David I both agree and disagree with you, however if you are selling something you should make every effort to describe the motor correctly, the MW 005 is not a Romford motor being either a MW or MRRC and many feel it is far superior than the Hornby product For a collector a Romford motor is far more expensive than either a MW or Hornby product, I can understand that this may be a genuine mistake but would you be saying the same about a cheap pair of sunglasses being passed off as a top brand Also there is no need to be combative when getting back to the seller, nothing wrong in politely informing the seller of the problem, as you say one remedy if a premium rice has not been paid is to resell it if its not required, As both a buyer and seller of model railway items, I expect that items are as described, on the other hand if as a seller I made an error I would ( like I guess the vast majority of sellers would) most certainly be prepared to resolve the problem which I had caused. In this case if we are not talking about much money, then it may not be worth perusing or a partial refund would be in order. Different story if a premium price had been paid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, hayfield said: David I both agree and disagree with you, however if you are selling something you should make every effort to describe the motor correctly, the MW 005 is not a Romford motor being either a MW or MRRC and many feel it is far superior than the Hornby product For a collector a Romford motor is far more expensive than either a MW or Hornby product, I can understand that this may be a genuine mistake but would you be saying the same about a cheap pair of sunglasses being passed off as a top brand Also there is no need to be combative when getting back to the seller, nothing wrong in politely informing the seller of the problem, as you say one remedy if a premium rice has not been paid is to resell it if its not required, As both a buyer and seller of model railway items, I expect that items are as described, on the other hand if as a seller I made an error I would ( like I guess the vast majority of sellers would) most certainly be prepared to resolve the problem which I had caused. In this case if we are not talking about much money, then it may not be worth perusing or a partial refund would be in order. Different story if a premium price had been paid But at least one eBay seller on RMweb, has suggested that if you complain in anyway, about one of his listings, then he will ban you from future bidding! I agree with you that an MW005, is a much better motor than an X04. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres_Wally Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, kevinlms said: But at least one eBay seller on RMweb, has suggested that if you complain in anyway, about one of his listings, then he will ban you from future bidding! Does this matter? If I buy something from eBay and have a problem, I'm not going to buy from them again anyway! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Could be a honest mistake, a lot of model railway items in my experience are listed by people clearing models etc owned by deceased relatives so something in the wrong box is not readily going to be noted if it seems right. Can be the benefit of the buyer like the Bachmann 03 I got which was wrongly listed and failed to mention it had Kadees and a decoder fitted 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: But at least one eBay seller on RMweb, has suggested that if you complain in anyway, about one of his listings, then he will ban you from future bidding! I agree with you that an MW005, is a much better motor than an X04. If the item is clearly not as described and the seller bans you its the seller that has a bad attitude not the buyer 56 minutes ago, Wheres_Wally said: Does this matter? If I buy something from eBay and have a problem, I'm not going to buy from them again anyway! If the seller has made a genuine mistake and resolves it then they are a good seller and worth buying from in the future 43 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Could be a honest mistake, a lot of model railway items in my experience are listed by people clearing models etc owned by deceased relatives so something in the wrong box is not readily going to be noted if it seems right. Can be the benefit of the buyer like the Bachmann 03 I got which was wrongly listed and failed to mention it had Kadees and a decoder fitted Agree it could be an honest mistake, and the model you bought was as described, but with extras not described, I guess the decoder could not be seen in the photo's but the Kadees could, I would be looking at what else they were selling looking for other gems. I bought 2 RTR locos from Rails of Sheffield which both had etched chassis (wanted them for a couple of kits I had) they missed that they both had RG4 motors, think I paid £30 ish each !! Not just the public that make mistakes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Fife Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I was banned from bidding by one seller, because I asked if a J70 model was from a Kays kit or of a Hornby model. I suspect that he wasn't being truthful in his description. Malcolm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) On 01/06/2019 at 14:22, Thane of Fife said: I was banned from bidding by one seller, because I asked if a J70 model was from a Kays kit or of a Hornby model. I suspect that he wasn't being truthful in his description. Malcolm was it fife_loco by any chance? as had issues with him. Edited June 3, 2019 by vikingsmb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 This motor does certainly look like an XO4 but something about it does not look right. There are no oil retaining pads which I think the XO4 usually had. The surface of the magnet is very pitted whereas every XO4 I have owned had a magnet with a smooth surface. I don’t know if this is a Romford motor but I feel it may not be an XO4. Sandra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimwal Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Definitely an X04 motor, a late production by the look of most of it. The worm is a coarse single start and used in the 0-4-0s until replaced with first of the various can motor designs. Hornby left out the felt bearing pads, the bearing plate by the magnet by this time was steel, it was aluminium previously and brass before that. The armature looks older, the later ones had green epoxy type insulation around the steel stampings. So I imagine it has been replaced at some time. Hornby's cost cutting made a good motor of its time into a poor one in later years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just wondering from the type of worm gear fitted if this motor is not the one for the turntable! Was it not called a X03 ? Haven't bothered checking this but one thing for sure it ain't a Romford bulldog as others have said if you didn't pay a lot for it keep it as a spair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) On 11/06/2019 at 18:25, Graham456 said: Just wondering from the type of worm gear fitted if this motor is not the one for the turntable! Was it not called a X03 ? Haven't bothered checking this but one thing for sure it ain't a Romford bulldog as others have said if you didn't pay a lot for it keep it as a spair Agreed, turntable motor almost certainly. The solder tag and wires fitted to it as well as the brass single start worm are a good indication. The X03 is the one with the plastic single start worm. Edited July 29, 2022 by RedgateModels Added snip from service sheet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Thanks for the replies. The old M7 now has a NOS Airfix 5 pole motor in it (I paid the local model shop to swap the worms over) and it both runs more smoothly and smells a whole lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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