RMweb Gold Corbs Posted August 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2020 That does sound rather fascinating, I'd love to give it a go. With my Mk.1 timetables I cludged it by taking distance between A and Z, then average speed between stops, then number of stops x dwell time per stop. So it's not terribly scientific but was a short hand method of figuring out how to get trains to meet up at certain junctions/connections, or depart at specific times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Long ago, when people built models of railway systems, rather than photorealistic models of individual stations, and model railway magazines had solid, informative articles rather than lots of pretty pictures of how to plug a DCC chip into the latest niche r-t-r, descriptions of model timetabling techniques were something of a hardy perennial. Anyone interested in timetable development could do worse than find a big pile of back issues from the 60s or 70s and have a flick through. Shouldn't take more than a dozen selected at random to find something of relevance . I've got a typical (and, IIRC, pretty comprehensive) article in a c1980 Model Railway Constructor Annual. Better still, I'm fairly sure I know where it is, and it's reasonably accessible. PM me if anyone wants a scan. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) I watched the Reverand Awdry running his model of the branch at Gloucester Show many years ago. Trains were run at a very sedate pace, reflecting his ideas of life on Sodor. Baz Edited August 29, 2020 by Barry O 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Corbs said: That does sound rather fascinating, I'd love to give it a go. With my Mk.1 timetables I cludged it by taking distance between A and Z, then average speed between stops, then number of stops x dwell time per stop. So it's not terribly scientific but was a short hand method of figuring out how to get trains to meet up at certain junctions/connections, or depart at specific times. That's exactly what the graph shows you. Distance on the vertical axis, time on the horizontal axis. Don't have any lines crossing on single tracks other than at passing loops and don't have one train following another until the one in front has cleared the section. The graph makes this very easy to visualise. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishGypsum4 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Corbs said: That does sound rather fascinating, I'd love to give it a go. With my Mk.1 timetables I cludged it by taking distance between A and Z, then average speed between stops, then number of stops x dwell time per stop. So it's not terribly scientific but was a short hand method of figuring out how to get trains to meet up at certain junctions/connections, or depart at specific times. To be far Corbs that’s roughly how I did part of it myself. Once I had worked out where train A would be it was a case of when and where train B would start and cross it with roughly a minute or two for station stops. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Personally I find it all fascinating @BritishGypsum4 Especially because I got to cheat when I did the timetable for my project as it was on an existing mainline and replacing an already existing station so the timetable pretty much already existed. So it's great to see what your guys methodology is. I'm also debating a Suderian project in the future although I was thinking maybe Wellsworth but that's a long way off. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph the L&YR lover Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Aire Head said: I'm also debating a Suderian project in the future although I was thinking maybe Wellsworth but that's a long way off. focusing on the main line or the branch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Joseph the L&YR lover said: focusing on the main line or the branch? Mainline but it's a way off and I wouldn't want to Hijack Toms thread! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 28/08/2020 at 10:11, St Enodoc said: Yes, six and half-a-dozen I think. I start with the graph to establish the basics, including crossings and other conflicts, then make up the spreadsheet. I do any further adjustments with the spreadsheet alone, noting that I run my layout with a sequence rather than a timetable so that makes those changes simpler. Obviously I didn't create this from scratch but I drew it out from the actual service timetable to illustrate a talk on timetabling a couple of years ago. I think it shows what I mean. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom F Posted August 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2020 @BritishGypsum4 and I had a visit to the Arlesdale Railway today, well almost! Can't beat a bit of 'La'al Ratty'! Mid Sodor.....or in this case Eskdale. I swear my dog enjoys Ben's company more than mine! From Corney Fell, using my telephoto lens ....Sodor! Ok, not quite.... 'Man' incredibly clear this afternoon! 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom F Posted August 30, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Well, I may have acquired a layout! Formerly 'Humber Dock' built by my friend Ian, it will soon become 'Arlesburgh Dock'. Edited August 30, 2020 by Hawin Dooiey 30 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Oh wow. Nice! I think I've actually seen that layout before. Has it appeared in Railway Modeller before? Also it that Ten Cents in the first picture? Edited August 30, 2020 by RedGemAlchemist 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumata Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) So you'll have a use for your no. 11 after all... Edited August 30, 2020 by Kumata 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium AdeMoore Posted August 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2020 That’s a lovely, what a great start. nice work. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB&SCR 337 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I just love the modelling going on here. I myself am planning to build the Ffarquhar mk2 layout. Got two 5ft by 2ft boards so that's a start. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I’m really glad to have passed the baton to Tom. She’s in the good hands. Ian Everett (builder of Humber Dock) 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom F Posted September 1, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, clecklewyke said: I’m really glad to have passed the baton to Tom. She’s in the good hands. Ian Everett (builder of Humber Dock) Well I'll try my best to do the layout credit Ian. I was doing some minor repairs to the two principle locos for 'Arlesburgh Dock'. NWR No. 11 'Oliver' required some cosmetic repairs, a sand pipe fitting, new smokebox dart and crew. NWR No. 8 'Duck' has also had a crew fitted. Edited September 1, 2020 by Hawin Dooiey 27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribird Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 May I ask why No 8 has a red nameplate on one side, and black on the other? The silver handrails do really suit these two! Might have to do the same when I make No. 8 and No. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ribird said: May I ask why No 8 has a red nameplate on one side, and black on the other? The silver handrails do really suit these two! Might have to do the same when I make No. 8 and No. 11 In illustrations I’ve seen them depicted as both red and black, so went with both for variation. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 No real modelling updates, sometimes I think we all need a break. I am looking forward to working on a bigger gauge this weekend though! 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishGypsum4 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 19 hours ago, Hawin Dooiey said: No real modelling updates, sometimes I think we all need a break. I am looking forward to working on a bigger gauge this weekend though! It’ll be a cracking day for you. I am looking forward to my diner turn next weekend. Nothing better than finishing work and knowing that you have a turn. Lovely photo of Wells mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BritishGypsum4 said: It’ll be a cracking day for you. I am looking forward to my diner turn next weekend. Nothing better than finishing work and knowing that you have a turn. Lovely photo of Wells mate It will be good to be down again, but I envy you being on the footplate. Which engines are you rostered on this month? Seem to have lost my modelling mojo at the moment, so this thread may go a bit quiet for a bit. I tend to go at things with a 100% passion and then burn myself out a bit. A downside also when your hobby becomes your job (I'm about to do some work for a client on the workbench). A rest to this thread and my own modelling may do me a bit of good. Train now departing....but hopefully returning soon. 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2020 On 30/08/2020 at 17:11, Hawin Dooiey said: Well, I may have acquired a layout! Formerly 'Humber Dock' built by my friend Ian, it will soon become 'Arlesburgh Dock'. That looks very atmospheric . The pic of the Austerity reminds me of scene in book where Thomas and Bertie are racing . Its a town scene with Bertie sitting at lights and Thomas chasing past on a bridge behind . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Legend said: That looks very atmospheric . The pic of the Austerity reminds me of scene in book where Thomas and Bertie are racing . Its a town scene with Bertie sitting at lights and Thomas chasing past on a bridge behind . I know what you mean. That will be this one (at Elsbridge on Thomas's Branch) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2020 Yes not quite the same , but the atmospheres there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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