Aire Head Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Tom F said: Next up! NWR No 1! As I’ll be depicting the following service (I’ve already obtained suitable kits for Annie and Clarabel). What are you using to depict them? Also presumably a MK1 BSK for the through coach? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2019 BCK surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: BCK surely? Yes quite right! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Padishar Creel said: Hallo, I always preferred these depictions of Annie and Clarabel, so longer coaches, not 4wheel versions. What does the IoS Wiki say about them? es grüßt pc The wiki thinks they are LMS non-corridor suburban bogie stock in the books: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Annie_and_Clarabel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Csalem said: The wiki thinks they are LMS non-corridor suburban bogie stock in the books: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Annie_and_Clarabel That's not quite my reading of it - the implication is pre-Grouping - from one of the major LMS constituents nevertheless. I don't buy the bit about lengthening; possibly constructed from pairs of shorter carriages, much as the LNWR did with some of its 28 ft 4-wheelers. For my part, I strongly suspect they are ex-LNWR 57 ft elliptical-roof bogie non-corridor carriages* that, by the time of the RWS have had their wood panelling replaced with steel panelling, giving the flush-sided appearance we see in the illustrations. Or, C. Awdry may have been thinking of some earlier carriages, that by the time of the RWS had been replaced by standard LMS Period 3 vehicles. *That set the pattern for LMS stock in terms of numbers of compartments. EDIT: looking at the pictures again and allowing for the artist not getting the number of compartments right, they could well be shorter - 50 ft ex-LNWR or ex-MR vehicles. Interestingly, Jenkinson records that there were 39 LNWR D337 50 ft elliptically-roofed brake thirds passed to the LMS, but almost certainly 40 built. Edited October 2, 2019 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Csalem said: The wiki thinks they are LMS non-corridor suburban bogie stock in the books: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Annie_and_Clarabel They are pretty generic, you could always use the old grafer non corridors suitably detailed up? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Yes, I'm planning on using a Mk1 BCK to represent the coach from the 'Wild Nor Wester'. Regarding Annie and Clarabel, I will be using Midland non corridors on LMS Bachmann bogies, as another chap has done on twitter. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Csalem said: The wiki thinks they are LMS non-corridor suburban bogie stock in the books: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Annie_and_Clarabel I also noted on that page it says they are push-pull aswell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Aire Head said: I also noted on that page it says they are push-pull aswell! Yep, heavily inferred (especially in certain illustrations). However I wont be depicting them like that. In other news....my finger slipped and now I've bought one of these!! Well....I couldn't really model No 6, No 1....and leave out the third of the 'Ffarquhar Three'...No 7! 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tom F said: Yep, heavily inferred (especially in certain illustrations). However I wont be depicting them like that. I had never really noticed that Well I guess they wont be with a MK1 on the end. Were E2 Push-Pull fitted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Were E2 Push-Pull fitted? Not as far as I know, I believe it's an Awdryism. Here are a couple of examples: Book 18 Book 26 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) I believe that at least some were, and I think they may have been designed with that in mind - they were used in the London area to operate PP trains that effectively formed part of the overhead electric service, I think during or immediately after WW1, when there was a shortage of electric stock due to inability to obtain electrical equipment. IIRC they didn't last long on this, because their lack of coal carrying capacity caused problems. [Two were PP fitted, and the date was 1914] Edited October 2, 2019 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2019 Coincidentally, a small number of the Midland non-corridor suburban carriages represented by the Ratio kits were converted to motor train driving trailers - but 6-compartment brake thirds, not the 4-compartment sort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Compound2632 said: Coincidentally, a small number of the Midland non-corridor suburban carriages represented by the Ratio kits were converted to motor train driving trailers - but 6-compartment brake thirds, not the 4-compartment sort. That is interesting. Ultimately I decided against it, as visually it would alter the end of Clarabel too much away from the illustrations. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Tom F said: Yep, heavily inferred (especially in certain illustrations). However I wont be depicting them like that. In other news....my finger slipped and now I've bought one of these!! Well....I couldn't really model No 6, No 1....and leave out the third of the 'Ffarquhar Three'...No 7! Will you be repainting his sideplate blue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Tom F said: That is interesting. Ultimately I decided against it, as visually it would alter the end of Clarabel too much away from the illustrations. Not that it would be running as push pull anyway as it seems he only travels to Tidmouth to collect the through coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) On 02/10/2019 at 13:01, Tom F said: Next up! NWR No 1! As I’ll be depicting the following service (I’ve already obtained suitable kits for Annie and Clarabel). Those look remarkably like Triang coaches - 9" R28 brake at the end (note the three sliding vent windows) and perhaps R120 & R121 each with one compartment taken out. Edited October 3, 2019 by BernardTPM 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 hours ago, BernardTPM said: Those look remarkably like Triang coaches - 9" R28 brake at the end (note the three sliding vent windows) and perhaps R120 & R121 each with one compartment taken out. I believe the artosts regularly used models as a guide when they were creating the images 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishGypsum4 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 On 04/10/2019 at 06:51, Aire Head said: I believe the artosts regularly used models as a guide when they were creating the images Talking to Tom about this on and off and when you look at some of the Peter Edwards illustrations, and, as said before on this thread, the oil tanker train behind D199 Spamcan is a good example as they are multi coloured. Also the shed in Arlesburgh for Duck is another example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, BritishGypsum4 said: Talking to Tom about this on and off and when you look at some of the Peter Edwards illustrations, and, as said before on this thread, the oil tanker train behind D199 Spamcan is a good example as they are multi coloured. Also the shed in Arlesburgh for Duck is another example. A few of the brakevans depicted also happen to have been available as models despite being some more obscure prototypes (at least one Caledonian and the fact that the Spiteful Brake Van is a TOAD E) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishGypsum4 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Indeed. From a modellers point of view it is almost like a free for all in terms of what you might fancy running. To bring in a certain amount of realism then challenges what might have been possible with regards rolling stock and buildings. All good fun! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom F Posted October 7, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2019 NWR's No 8 and 11 between duties. 22 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph the L&YR lover Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I know others like the "proper smokebox door!" but I think they look better with the faces. Especially seeing how this is going to be a Sodor layout. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not a layout/model update. Last night I completed a cleaning roster at the East Lancs Railway, including a touch of firing, injector management and coupling/uncoupling. Working on the real thing, makes you realise what Awdry could see....they really are the closest to a living being! 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) On 04/08/2019 at 16:13, Bucoops said: Somewhere I have a Sodor Map. When I picked my daughter up from my parents' the other day she had the map out so grabbed a quick (and apparently blurry:() pic Edited October 13, 2019 by Bucoops 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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