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1 minute ago, johndon said:

Just so I'm absolutely clear before going ahead with an order, it is the British Steel Grey/Orange wagons that are the correct livery for the Consett iron ore trains?

 

John

 

From the B&W image I have seen by David Larkin they are the standard Grey outer and Orange Grey for the others.

 

On a plus point they ran in sets of nine!

 

Mark Saunders

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5 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said:

 

From the B&W image I have seen by David Larkin they are the standard Grey outer and Orange Grey for the others.

 

On a plus point they ran in sets of nine!

 

Mark Saunders

 

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26 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said:

 

From the B&W image I have seen by David Larkin they are the standard Grey outer and Orange Grey for the others.

 

On a plus point they ran in sets of nine!

 

Mark Saunders

 

I've got a few colour photos as well, it's just that the grey in the CAD images looks a bit bluer than in some of the photos.

 

John

 

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Good evening, 

 

I've just taken a proper look at the train formations and destinations sheet. I was aware of the Chislehurst ARC terminal, but there's an Ashford terminal too on there too. Would that be Hothfield or was there a flow to Ashford as well? 

 

Which leads me to ask how big a train was (is) it? Guessing motive power in the mid 80s to 2000ish would have been 56s/58s/59s/60s. 

 

Might have to exercise the credit card. Again! 

 

Thank you, 

 

Graeme 

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12 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said:

Patrick/Fran

 

Will the auto couplers be available as spare if anyone wants to convert a LMS brake van or BR brake van chassis to an adaptor?

 

Mark

 

Hi Mark,

 

It will be a standard ‘knuckle’ type coupling, compatible with the likes of Kadee etc.

 

HTH

 

Fran

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7 minutes ago, Haymarket47 said:

Hi, can someone explain the difference between “outers” and “inners”?

 

Thanks

 

Sure, the outer packs feature two wagons with conventional draw gear and buffers on one end to couple up to a locomotive, while the inner wagons feature knuckle couplers and no buffers. This is as per the real wagons, so if you buy an outer and inner set, you would bookend the rake with two wagons from the outer set, while the rest would be coupled together using the knuckle coupling.

 

Outer, note the buffers on the top and bottom wagons

 

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Inner, note all the knuckle couplings 

 

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Hope that make sense! 

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

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Hi

Outers are buffer fitted on outer end only. Inners have no buffers at all. For my Ravenscraig rake I will need one grey outer and one orange and grey outer. 

 

Stephen

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16 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said:

 

Sure, the outer packs feature two wagons with conventional draw gear and buffers on one end to couple up to a locomotive, while the inner wagons feature knuckle couplers and no buffers. This is as per the real wagons, so if you buy an outer and inner set, you would bookend the rake with two wagons from the outer set, while the rest would be coupled together using the knuckle coupling.

 

Outer, note the buffers on the top and bottom wagons

 

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Inner, note all the knuckle couplings 

 

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Hope that make sense! 

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

Hi Fran

 

That makes perfect sense thanks for your prompt reply!

 

Alan

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Hi Fran

 

That's great news on the decision to produce the orange and grey inners. I will PM you regarding changing my order.

 

Are there any thoughts on producing weathered versions at a later date?

 

Stephen

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13 hours ago, johndon said:

 

I've got a few colour photos as well, it's just that the grey in the CAD images looks a bit bluer than in some of the photos.

 

John

 

 

Hi John,

 

The livery for Consett is not the same as the grey/orange Ravenscraig PTAs. While the basic grey and orange parts are the same the lettering is completely different. . They were delivered with large four-digit pre-TOPS numbers which later changed to a large five-digit TOPS number. They also carried a large BSC logo and a line marking the centre of the wagon. Finally they marked the two ends of the rake with a large red “A” or “B” on a yellow panel. We may do them in a future run! Hope this helps. 

 

12 hours ago, retbsignalman said:

Good evening, 

 

I've just taken a proper look at the train formations and destinations sheet. I was aware of the Chislehurst ARC terminal, but there's an Ashford terminal too on there too. Would that be Hothfield or was there a flow to Ashford as well? 

 

Which leads me to ask how big a train was (is) it? Guessing motive power in the mid 80s to 2000ish would have been 56s/58s/59s/60s. 

 

Might have to exercise the credit card. Again! 

 

Thank you, 

 

Graeme 

 

Hi Graeme,

 

There was a flow to Ashford in the late 80's from Whatley. It used to be unloaded in Powell Duffryn's coal depot at Ashford where there was a hopper discharge. Although it appears to only run three days a week it was actually an "either / or" working. On Tuesdays and Thursdays it ran to Sevington supplying roadstone for Channel Tunnel terminal construction. On the days it didn't run to Ashford (Mon, Wed, Fri) it could also run as 6Z06 08.10 Whatley to West Drayton ARC Terminal.

 

Note: We didn't include the West Drayton or Sevington terminals on the map as we've not come across any photos of the PTAs in these trains yet, although other boxes were used on the Sevington trains. Doesn't mean they never went there of course. If anyone has photo evidence, feel free to share!

 

The inners for both British Steel liveries have been very popular so far! Thank you to everyone who has placed an order.

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

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6 hours ago, ayrmrg said:

Hi Fran

 

That's great news on the decision to produce the orange and grey inners. I will PM you regarding changing my order.

 

Are there any thoughts on producing weathered versions at a later date?

 

Stephen

 

Hi Stephen,

 

We have no plans to make factory weathered finishes as we do not feel they are good enough. 

 

Cheers!

 

Fran

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Just now, Accurascale Fran said:

 

Hi John,

 

The livery for Consett is not the same as the grey/orange Ravenscraig PTAs. While the basic grey and orange parts are the same the lettering is completely different. . They were delivered with large four-digit pre-TOPS numbers which later changed to a large five-digit TOPS number. They also carried a large BSC logo and a line marking the centre of the wagon. Finally they marked the two ends of the rake with a large red “A” or “B” on a yellow panel. We may do them in a future run! Hope this helps. 

 

Fran

 

Thanks Fran.  I've ordered the grey orange one's don't mind having to respray.

 

Cheers

 

John

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Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery?

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13 hours ago, ColinK said:

Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery?

 

Hi Colin,

 

If you do we'd love to see video of them with triple 37s!

 

The Ravenscraig ones were the grey and orange, and the Llanwern ones were the blue and orange. Hope this helps!

 

Cheers,

 

Fran

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18 hours ago, ColinK said:

Very tempted to get a rake of these, but not sure which livery. Should look good and sound good behind a trio of sound fitted 37s. Did the wagons used on the Ravenscraig and Llanwern flows have the same livery?

 

The BSSW blue livery is relatively recent as I am sure all were delivered in a version of grey with orange for the rotary end. Some BSRV ones did go to South Wales when Ravenscraig closed!

 

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Thanks for the info on liveries. A rake duly ordered.

 

One of my friends has a 00 garden railway, will be fun to to take my rake of wagons there and video them being pulled by my three sound fitted 37s.

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8 hours ago, sanspareil said:

How do you obtain the 10% discount on an inner and outer pack bought at the same time? Does it apply to iron ores as well?

 

Hi,

 

If you use this link we have provided above you will get the discount. It applies to iron ore packs too.

 

https://accurascale.co.uk/discount/PTA-Bundle?redirect=%2Fcollections%2Fpta-jta-jua-bogie-tippler-wagons

 

cheers!

 

Fran

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