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Having lashed out a whole £5 at Chris's Crafts [Plymouth PL4 0NH T: 01752 665 007 ] I am now a Crocodile keeper. Made by Bachmann, it looks OK but the wheel sets and bearings are pretty antediluvian. Any suggestions as to the easiest/least expensive way of replacing wheels/coupling etc? I should prefer to keep it 'tension lock'.

 

I have bought it to carry my 'Tugwell-Pushleys', the manufactory for such will be my 'industry' on my nascent trainset. It will gve an opportunity for a OO9/OO interchange.

 

 

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Douglas

 

 


 

 

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Replace those wheels with Bachmann metal discs ones Douglas. If it was mine I'd have sawn off those ghastly tensions and fitted three links. 5 sheets is a bargain.

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Worth remembering the floor probably wasn't load bearing - you would have had a couple of stout wooden cross members between the main frames, onto which the loco frames would have sat (probably one under each bufferbeam) with the loco wheels in the air.

 

Jon

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Strewth! I have three of these that were surplus to my dads collection, had no idea they were called crocs. 

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1 hour ago, jonhall said:

Worth remembering the floor probably wasn't load bearing - you would have had a couple of stout wooden cross members between the main frames, onto which the loco frames would have sat (probably one under each bufferbeam) with the loco wheels in the air.

Presumably classified more systematically as a Weltrol once under BR control?

2 hours ago, Chubber said:

I have bought it to carry my 'Tugwell-Pushleys'...

And there was me thinking 'that's a Slowley-Chugley'.

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IIRC Baccy will sell you the GW plate frame bogies for these, complete with new wheelsets and NEM couplings. 

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Just wondering how the NG loco would have been loaded and more importantly unloaded?  Dropped down between the frames a crane would have been needed but if it was loaded higher then maybe some subtle work with pry bars and packing could have served to unload it.

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Hi

Thanks to all for interest and suggestions to date, replies in due course. Have found my GWR wagons (appendix), will try to contact B'mann soonest.

 

Douglas

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6 hours ago, DavidCBroad said:

Just wondering how the NG loco would have been loaded and more importantly unloaded?  Dropped down between the frames a crane would have been needed but if it was loaded higher then maybe some subtle work with pry bars and packing could have served to unload it.

Craned in at a works. As already mentioned, the side members are the structure that have to take the load, (floor is just for convenience of those working the loading and unloading) so there would be steel or timber bearers supporting the loco frames bearing on the side members.  (The Weltrol is overkill, a Lowmac will easily take this load, and is simpler to load and unload.)

 

It is possible to unload at destination by building a 'crib', levering the load up and systematically inserting timbers. But bringing a crane in for the job would be much preferred...

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15 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

Presumably classified more systematically as a Weltrol once under BR control?

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The bogies shouldn't have the lightening holes as these were 'heavy duty' wagons.

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5 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

Craned in at a works. As already mentioned, the side members are the structure that have to take the load, (floor is just for convenience of those working the loading and unloading) so there would be steel or timber bearers supporting the loco frames bearing on the side members.  (The Weltrol is overkill, a Lowmac will easily take this load, and is simpler to load and unload.)

 

It is possible to unload at destination by building a 'crib', levering the load up and systematically inserting timbers. But bringing a crane in for the job would be much preferred...

 

Yes. I think they were mainly for moving boilers, but there are some photos of them with transformers on what look like pallets. You can see the superstructure on a different photo which I can't find, possibly in the book on GWR wagon loads.

 

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrgs2763.htm

 

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrhd2620.htm

 

 

Jason

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The old Trix model* could be had loaded with a transformer, a boiler, a large cable drum or a block of 'granite'. The Mainline one, from which the Bachmann derives, could be obtained with a boiler.

 

* Not bad for its age (apart from the bogies) but was stretched to accommodate the bogies. It tends to suffer from corrosion and the loads are acetate and usually warped. I fitted one with better bogies but scrapped it when the new model appeared.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

Yes. I think they were mainly for moving boilers, but there are some photos of them with transformers on what look like pallets. You can see the superstructure on a different photo which I can't find, possibly in the book on GWR wagon loads.

 

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrgs2763.htm

 

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrhd2620.htm

 

 

Jason

The Russell book on GWR wagons has them carrying all manner of things, including marine buoys. Paul Bartlett's site has some useful shots of interiors; try here ( I know these are BR ones, but the general pricples are the same) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brspecials

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5 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

The Russell book on GWR wagons has them carrying all manner of things, including marine buoys. Paul Bartlett's site has some useful shots of interiors; try here ( I know these are BR ones, but the general pricples are the same) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brspecials

 

I also have a surprising number (to me at least) of Crocs.

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrcrocodile

 

Paul

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Except that this is a 35 ton CROCODILE G not a 50 ton CROCODILE H.

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