woodenhead Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Opening Serck shutters would need a decent sound application as well, I used to remember the departures up the bank at Manchester Victoria. First comes the initial application of power to get the train moving, then a high idle where the shutters would open before power was reapplied and the train began to accelerate under the bridge and up the bank. Peaks were similar but without the shutters of course! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Great news, It'll be interesting to see how they model the variations over the years, the 47 was a bit "Heinz 57 varieties" in real life but given the recent photos of the test models of the 86/0, and the news of the variations being planned for the 45, I expect that Heljan might just give us a cracking model and some real competition for Bachmann. I wonder if this news might spur Bachmann into having a fresh look at their 47, and given their interest in "added play value" and their experience of servo pantographs on their 90, might work out a way of getting the Serck louvres to open? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Hope it’s better than the original tubby duff which I was underwhelmed with. will wait and see, if it’s not so hot, it’ll be cheapo Bachmann version which I foreseee falling in RRP from £152 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted July 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2019 This is brilliant news. Currently I have ViTrains Rail Exclusive & Bachmann Class 47s. I have x5 ViTrains models and x5 Bachmann models. I will be keeping all of these models that I have collected so far as the ViTrains five are the DRS & Northern Belle Exclusive & Limited models and the Bachmann five are DRS resprays 501 & 802, DRS 805 & 818 Area Exclusive models (818 a renumber from 805) and Area Exclusive Colas 727. I don't require any new or additional DRS or Colas 47s but I would like some West Coast Maroon and GBRf 47s. I may also be interested in ROG 47812 & 47815. I will follow the progress of this model with interest. Well done Heljan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On a simple DC operation, how would opening louvres work - temperature sensor on the motor? Could be voltage sustained above a certain amount more than 5" ... I'm sure there are options to help the Analogue operator appreciate some of the DCC toys. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Puts plans on hold for a couple of LSL green Duffs............... I will await suitable donors. Cheers, Mick Edited July 6, 2019 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 hours ago, newbryford said: Puts plans on hold for a couple of LSL green Duffs............... I will await suitable donors. Just note that the end of the announcement indicates 2021 for the first release, so anyone needing anything sooner will need to look elsewhere... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, mdvle said: Just note that the end of the announcement indicates 2021 for the first release, so anyone needing anything sooner will need to look elsewhere... I'm not in a hurry............. Although if the announcement drives down the second hand price of Bachy 47s then I may be tempted. Edited July 6, 2019 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 Hatton’s posted an image of 47205 with the Heljan O gauge CAD below on Facebook and when you look at them together there are noticeable differences concerning the side cab and door window shape and the roof grills at cantrail level. The cab as a whole appears to be too long making those side windows look too square, as per the Bachmann model. The angle of the buffer beam support under the cab side windows also appears to be wrong. Plenty of time to get the OO gauge version correct of course but I hope Ben has a good look at these issues before progress has gone too far to correct any errors. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) If they come out right these could be candidates for a small fleet for me, banger blue yellow sealed beam. I will hold off any Bachmann 47 purchases until I see more evidence of how they're going to look. Working serck would be good, but I doubt it will happen. My lone tubby duff will need to lose some weight... Edited July 7, 2019 by Ian J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 God no, don’t make the shutters work. unnecessary gadget to go wrong ! 3 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WisTramwayMan Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, rob D2 said: God no, don’t make the shutters work. unnecessary gadget to go wrong ! Quite ! Although a manually adjustable arrangement similar to the arrangement on (at least some) Hornby class 50s may be acceptable. Otherwise, as you say, another thing to go wrong, and some of Heljan's past efforts haven't covered themselves in glory. Making sure the metallurgy's as it should be, and that motors don't self-destruct, are a basic MUST-HAVE before playing with nice-to-have features. And test the thing properly before unleashing it on the public. Having said that, I own a couple of the little 07s, which I admit are beautiful little locos; I just hope their longevity matches their looks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 17 hours ago, atom3624 said: On a simple DC operation, how would opening louvres work - temperature sensor on the motor? Could be voltage sustained above a certain amount more than 5" ... I'm sure there are options to help the Analogue operator appreciate some of the DCC toys. Al. If you want 'DCC toys' then you should consider using DCC. Things like this work poorly otherwise (sound has been tried but worked poorly, lights go out when the train stops...etc). If you don't want DCC, then accept that you won't have access to 'DCC toys'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 The operating shutters, bit like the revolving fans, do we need them? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, NINJA said: The operating shutters, bit like the revolving fans, do we need them? In my view, no to both. Waste of money. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Just now, NINJA said: The operating shutters, bit like the revolving fans, do we need them? Do Heljan need them? More features are more potential faults, which could cause more returns. It is hypothetical anyway. It was Clive who accidentally started this by suggesting the shutters could be modelled open. Whether Heljan do it or even consider it will be their decision. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: Do Heljan need them? More features are more potential faults, which could cause more returns. It is hypothetical anyway. It was Clive who accidentally started this by suggesting the shutters could be modelled open. Whether Heljan do it or even consider it will be their decision. And I accidentally made one with them open, not working as I am not that daft. I have done a few but this is the only Dane I have done. The best is a Vi Trains one. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: If you want 'DCC toys' then you should consider using DCC. Things like this work poorly otherwise (sound has been tried but worked poorly, lights go out when the train stops...etc). If you don't want DCC, then accept that you won't have access to 'DCC toys'. I’d rather DCC fade into history, and adopt real world standards like IOT using wifi... no need to pay premiums for patented ideas served on bespoke industry circuit boards, when software can replace it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Its nice Heljan are doing a new 47. its a shame comments are hoping the result of a competitor brings down Bachmann's price point. Personally like with the 25,45 I’m hoping they bring a superior model to market and rather than cheapest, I can chose which is best detailed. it seems like the tooling is getting all the detail potential built in, and lets face it 47’s always sell. For now i’m not placing orders, I want to see what were getting.. Weetabix or Shredded Wheat... but its exciting times by Heljan... Edited July 7, 2019 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Well as we’ve seen with the 66, they won’t. They’ll drop profit margin on existing tooling and sell it cheaper.Bachmann seem to have no appetite for upgrading models, just wringing as much profit as they can out of ancient tooling. this is the first time in a while their 47 has competition ( Vi out of production, Heljan old version also ) its almost like they have decided to be the Tesco of the MR world, allowing others to be the Waitrose and Lidl respectively Edited July 7, 2019 by rob D2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Bachmann seem to have no appetite for upgrading models, just wringing as much profit as they can out of ancient tooling. The thing is that much of the Bachmann tooling being referred to 25/3, 45, 47 and 66 in particular, is pretty good and although not fully up to current standards isn’t necessarily out of date. Bachmann clearly does have plans to upgrade models - look at the Classes 25, 158 and 170 currently in development. Bachmann’s difficulty seems to be the long lead times due to factory capacity (being tied to Kader) which seems to make it difficult if not impossible to keep up, so others are picking off the models with the best long terms sales potential. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) It's all fine and dandy frothing over an all-new 47, however Heljan need to get the fundamental shape correct surely? Otherwise it's a pointless exercise. With Heljan's track-record on body shapes in general I think I'll wait until I've seen the finished model before I order/pre-order anything. Fingers crossed... everything crossed... Edited July 7, 2019 by YesTor 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 I am still amazed that we sometimes get models (from all 'manufacturers' and comissioners) with issues with basic body shape and dimensions. It's not rocket science to have a list of fundamental measurements to check CAD against when it come time to review it, and then to use those same measurements to check 3D prints and early tooling. My fingers are crossed that Heljan can get the 47 right, as well as the 45 / 25 / anything else. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Yes of course, that’ll be essential or I’ll stick with Bachmann . I won’t be preordering anything, it’s a model train after all, someone else can be the guinea pig ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2019 The shape will be wrong, the detail will be wrong and no room for the woofer speaker, after all it is only RTR. It won't be in the right livery for my layout. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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