muddys-blues Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hello, without meaning to hijack this thread but has anybody seen the Heljan GUV in the flesh ? Are there any shape issues with it that the MK1 coaches have, any info would be grateful. Best regards Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hello, without meaning to hijack this thread but has anybody seen the Heljan GUV in the flesh ? Are there any shape issues with it that the MK1 coaches have, any info would be grateful. Best regards Craig Looks ok from the pics I have seen. If you are after a class 33 their is one in the classifieds. Would look good with your class 31. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The dellners were some I drew up in Rhino 3D then sent off to shapeways. They are not prototypically accurate, but easily distinguishable. the nose ends are MMP resin 57/6 ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Alas here is the 57, I'm not too happy with the dellners so I have ordered a second set that I will place higher up and recess more. At least it vaguely looks like a 57, I'm also not too happy with the grille fit, but it should do, again, these can always be re done later. This is my first conversion as I'm used to Waterman kits. Is this a kit built one or something of the like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Its a modified Heljan 47. I would quite like a 57 kit or JLTRT to produce a 47 to modify into a 57 at some point. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Its a modified Heljan 47. I would quite like a 57 kit or JLTRT to produce a 47 to modify into a 57 at some point. Stunning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hello, without meaning to hijack this thread but has anybody seen the Heljan GUV in the flesh ? Are there any shape issues with it that the MK1 coaches have, any info would be grateful. Best regards Craig Not seen it in the flesh but their is a review in the current BRM which highlights the curvature of the roof being wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Not seen it in the flesh but their is a review in the current BRM which highlights the curvature of the roof being wrong. Thanks for the reply Rob, I am still torn as to get one or not, or go down the Westdale or JLTRT route, I don't mind doing a bit of modelling and spraying, as £250 for a RTR item that has obvious niggles should not command that sort of price, or another way of putting it, is Manufacturers should make sure it is right before putting it out there and expect punters to pay top whack for their "well it's good enough" models .... but that is another subject. Happy Modelling Craig. Edited January 28, 2015 by muddys-blues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Elsewhere on RMW a thread in the Special Interests 7mm Category a contributor has provided an update tregarding Westdale coach supplies See Westdale Coach and DMU supplies thread Regards Bob Edited January 29, 2015 by Silverstreak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Elsewhere on RMW a thread in the Special Interests 7mm Category a contributor has provided an update tregarding Westdale coach supplies It was me and it was here Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 If it comes down to a case of Westdale vs Heljan vs JLTRT, I would simply refer to the review I did of the JLTRT kit in the G0G Gazette a while back. It proved problematic in the build, with the sides, floor and roof being different lengths, and the whole vehicle sitting too high on its bogies. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 If it comes down to a case of Westdale vs Heljan vs JLTRT, I would simply refer to the review I did of the JLTRT kit in the G0G Gazette a while back. It proved problematic in the build, with the sides, floor and roof being different lengths, and the whole vehicle sitting too high on its bogies. Jim Have you had any experience of the Westdale kit Jim ? best regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Not personally, although one of our club members has built the Westdale kit and, as far as I know, didn't experience any problems. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I have a Westdale GUV although I have not got round to building it yet.....having looked at the parts though I don't think kits get much simpler One piece body & my choice of Easybuild bogies, I would say it could be built in a day Phill P.S. The JLTRT one got very bad reviews when released as I recall & the Heljan is overpriced IMO Edited January 30, 2015 by Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi Brian, sorry for hijacking this thread about other Manufacturer's GUVs. thanks to Phil & Jim for the information. Best regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hi Brian I know i will have to get numbers transfers, but, do you know if the Heljan class 37 comes supplied with reporting numbers for the headcode boxes please? ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yes I believe they did come supplied with headcodes Ian. By the way I have not given up building stuff just yet. I am building a JLTRT class 22 slowly so I will put a couple of pictures up soon, that is when I have taken them! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hi Ian, Yes the 37 did come with reporting numbers and I have some left over if you need them. Just got to find them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have noticed TMS models have a couple of completed Motorail coaches up for £327 each, look to be built and painted to a high level though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Managed to get out between the showers and take a few pictures of another project on the go, a JLTRT class 22. I will be doing it as 6319 in blue. I am not keen on the way it's been designed, you have to put the windows first because the cab interior slides in from the back so is locked in when the cabs are put on the body. I suspect this was done this way because of a tuck under of the body side which makes putting the floor up inside from the bottom a challenge. I have secured the windows with a waterproof PVA glue that I thinned and then run round the windows with a small brush. Hopefully when the model gets cleaned for painting under the tap the windows will not fall out. Also will have to mask all of the windows before painting. There is no way to stop the oval buffer heads rotating but I have a cunning plan for this! Both the cab desk and rear bulkheads come up nice when painted. I have opened out the headcode boxes to put a light behind them and to get a glass finish to the headcode glass as there is no glazing in the kit for these. I have just made a temporary headcode just to see what it looks like, will get a proper headcode number done soon. I can't put the cabs onto the rest of the body until I have glued these headcodes in so it might be a while as I have to get the headcodes made using Fox numbers on black plasticard and then I use a photocopier to make them in paper before using Kristal Klear to glue them to the headcode glazing. I broke a handrail for the front trying to file the rear of the bottom cast pad as it's got a V shape to the back so does not sit back on the cast front very well. There are not enough of the correct style lamp brackets supplied, the two I have fitted on the front are good but the other two like it on the sprue have a pad cast on the back and the other two have the fixing brackets turn up on themselves. I suspect these are correct for all the variants of these loco's but you could do with two lamp bracket sprues and not just the one supplied. The bogie sideframes are very nice but there is no method to fix them to the bogie inner apart from gluing them on which I am loath to do as you can bet you will need to get them off sometime in the future when a Slaters wheel allen screw comes loose! There are no holes in the bogie inner to put pick-ups in like their other models so you have to mark out and drill your own. This is the etched bits to add later. But for all this it's looking very nice. I still have not got any motors and gearboxes. I will use Mashima's and Roxey fold-up etch gear boxes. Edited February 14, 2015 by brian daniels 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Looking good so far Brian. I've always wished JLTRT would design their motor bogies with U shaped holes for the bearings to fit from below. A keeper plate could then be fitted to retain the bearings/axles. It would make fitting the delrin drives a bit easier if you see what I mean as the whole thing could be "chained" on the bench then dropped in from below. Makes sense to me anyhoo JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Brian, Very nice work! Arnt the JLTRT Class 24's and 25s the same in terms of having to fit the windows before painting? ATVB CME Edited February 14, 2015 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yes CME and their 52. I just wish they would have made the sideframes fit with a screw or something so you can remove them easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Brian, Very nice work! Arnt the JLTRT Class 24's and 25s the same in terms of having to fit the windows before painting? ATVB CME Ah, not sure about the 52 and the 25 but the 24 , with a bit of careful filing/shaping of the edges it's possible to make the bulkheads a clip in affair. This means you can make up the bodyshell/cab assembly, paint it, then glaze it and add the bulkheads and side desk units afterwards. It's a bit of a nail-biter easing them in afterwards but I just managed them without any of the anticipated CRACK noises (phew).. Jon F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Yes CME and their 52. I just wish they would have made the sideframes fit with a screw or something so you can remove them easily. Could you temporarily assemble the sides to the bogie, drill through the bogie moulding and through the locating pin on the side frames and screw a 12 or 14 ba bolt through the lot? JF Edited February 14, 2015 by Jon Fitness 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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