RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted May 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Station, in all its forms and applications, indicates a point at which something or someone stops - 'Stasis' (from Greek στάσις "a standing still"). Nothing illogical about that. John Isherwood. On that basis, it is the train that is stationary, not the railway, which would suggest that Train Station is more correct! Ducks and runs for cover. Roy P.S. I hate Train Station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Roy Langridge said: On that basis, it is the train that is stationary, not the railway, which would suggest that Train Station is more correct! Ducks and runs for cover. Roy P.S. I hate Train Station. Roy, I suspect you of being deliberately obtuse ! The station is the place (on the railway) where the standing still takes place - hence railway station. Simples ! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 12/05/2020 at 21:01, dibber25 said: There's some CAD images of the Class 11 and the PWM in the latest Model Rail (MR274) The ladders on the 11 may not be 100% accurate as they were made from signal ladders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 hours ago, cctransuk said: Station, in all its forms and applications, indicates a point at which something or someone stops - 'Stasis' (from Greek στάσις "a standing still"). Nothing illogical about that. John Isherwood. I'm not so sure - a fire station isn't the point at which fire stops, or the point at which the fire is extinguished. It is the place that houses the equipment and people who extinguish fires in the location in which they are occurring. A Fire Brigade Station would probably satisfy the definition as the place where the people and equipment stops when not in use, but fire station suggests, by that definition, a place where the actual fire is based. All of which suggests that English with it's many influences, and imported different grammatical rules from different languages ancient and modern, can never be consistent or logical within itself, which makes it such a hard language for others to learn and such fun to use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 A railway station is a place on a railway where a railway train may stop to let down or pick up any traffic that may present itself. The ambiguity is obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 23/05/2020 at 11:09, Roy Langridge said: +1 to that. Factory weathering seems to be more miss than hit so I would prefer pristine. Roy +2 weathering turns me straight off. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 23/05/2020 at 11:39, cctransuk said: ......... The station is the place (on the railway) where the standing still takes place - hence railway station. ....... At which point I'll introduce my latest pet hate : not 'railway' but 'train line' ........ UGH ! ( I've not YET heard anyone talk about a ' train line station' - but it'll happen ! ) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: At which point I'll introduce my latest pet hate : not 'railway' but 'train line' ........ UGH ! ( I've not YET heard anyone talk about a ' train line station' - but it'll happen ! ) Even worse is "thetrainline.com"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 23/05/2020 at 00:52, wombatofludham said: … Translink, the Northern Ireland public transport organisation, has already branded Northern Ireland Railway stations as "train stations". According to Nick Hewer and Margaret Mountford in The Trouble with our Trains (2015), Northern Ireland Railways is just about the only railway company in the UK which operates to the satisfaction of its passengers*. I suppose even NIR can’t get everything right. * IMHO re-naming “passengers” as “customers” is a symptom of papering over cracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 23/05/2020 at 00:52, wombatofludham said: .... Translink, the Northern Ireland public transport organisation, has already branded Northern Ireland Railway stations as "train stations". What's more, their pre-recorded on-board announcements have been dumbed-down to an Anglicised 'This train is ....' rather than 'This treean is ....' in a rich local accent ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) Class 11. At Crewe, not sure of date. Why did they not make them class 12. Edited June 1, 2020 by andytrains 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 01/06/2020 at 13:01, andytrains said: Class 11. Why did they not make them class 12. Wrong type of wheels for a class 12 ! ( & wrong size ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I know, but it would have saved on paint! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 hours ago, andytrains said: I know, but it would have saved on paint! BR has never been short for paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just that they liked to slap it straight on to dirt. Never mind what they prefix station with, what about the train? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 9 hours ago, andytrains said: I know, but it would have saved on paint! I'm bluudy joking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: BR has never been short for paint. What! You obviously haven't heard of the great paint shortage of 1970! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 07/06/2020 at 09:33, andytrains said: I know, but it would have saved on paint! Always thought they used sticky-backed plastic for numbers - borrowed from Blue Peter of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted June 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2020 I wonder where the Class 11 thread went. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Well there's no news. They are probably working away quietly in the background and they'll appear in something like two or three years if all goes well. I think they are behind the PWMs in the pecking order. http://www.modelrailoffers.co.uk/pg/168/Project-PWM-Diesel Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Well there's no news. They are probably working away quietly in the background and they'll appear in something like two or three years if all goes well. I think they are behind the PWMs in the pecking order. http://www.modelrailoffers.co.uk/pg/168/Project-PWM-Diesel Jason There IS news. CADs for both PWM and Class 11 on page 14 of the current issue. Much more interesting than arguing about use of the English language. (CJL) 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 01/06/2020 at 22:01, andytrains said: Class 11. At Crewe, not sure of date. Why did they not make them class 12. It is interesting that it has the 'D' prefix on an old 5-digit number. Were there any others like that, or was this a one-off anomaly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, SRman said: It is interesting that it has the 'D' prefix on an old 5-digit number. Were there any others like that, or was this a one-off anomaly? Two for the price of one? Those are the only two I am aware of but others may know differently https://www.flickr.com/photos/129680049@N06/16129139834 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2020 There's a list somewhere, blowed if I can remember where, but ISTR there were more than a couple. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 D12040, D12047, D12062 are the only blue examples I have found photos off with the "D" prefix, although for completeness, one of the earlier jackshaft drive examples, D12016 also carried a "D" prefix. As for class 11's that carried blue livery, these are the ones I have found so far. 12038, D12040, D12047, 12049, 12052, D12062, 12069, 12071, 12082, 12083, 12084. I also have a photo that suggests 12072 might have been blue, but it is not a good enough photo to be 100% sure. In blue all locos had a small arrow on the cabside with the number above. Paul J. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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