RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 17/07/2019 at 08:22, daz9284 said: can the log carriers please be made DCC ready so a DCC 'smell' chip can be added for the pine smell as they pass :-D the rake i converted from Heljan cargoflats one of the wagons actually had ‘logs’ from chirk yard added, loads made from twigs picked up from the yard! ive cheated with the rest and bought some Hornby log loads for them 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted August 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2019 Any idea when the book opens for pre-orders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2019 Hi Jools, Probably about another 3-4 weeks. cheers Ben A. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 How many Pine Bonsai trees are going to be felled to fill the timber wagons. Could wipe out the worlds supply, shame as I can't think of any other way to get real timber at OO scale. Suspect these will be very popular although not my era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-b Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Are you going to be modelling the log load? Or just the flats for then people to produce there own? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 01/08/2019 at 19:17, flapland said: How many Pine Bonsai trees are going to be felled to fill the timber wagons. Could wipe out the worlds supply, shame as I can't think of any other way to get real timber at OO scale. Suspect these will be very popular although not my era. Prunings from shrubs look fine. I recommend fuschia ones in particular, as they've got fairly smooth bark. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 3, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2019 Hello all, In my opinion mounded timber loads rarely look convincing, and would probably add £3-5 to the cost of each wagon, so we are supplying the models unloaded only.. cheers Ben A. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 01/08/2019 at 19:17, flapland said: How many Pine Bonsai trees are going to be felled to fill the timber wagons. Could wipe out the worlds supply, shame as I can't think of any other way to get real timber at OO scale. Suspect these will be very popular although not my era. Ive used Budlea, once it’s gone over the stems become very dry and woody and chop up easily. These worked well on a couple of OTA’s I loaded with them. I agree Ben the moulded loads just don’t look right I sold the Bachmann ones for £1 a load just so they didn’t go to waste. thanks Mark 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2019 Looking forward to this. Great choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric709 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 On 01/08/2019 at 19:17, flapland said: How many Pine Bonsai trees are going to be felled to fill the timber wagons. Could wipe out the worlds supply, shame as I can't think of any other way to get real timber at OO scale. Suspect these will be very popular although not my era. Goodwood Scenics do some very nice “logs” ive loaded quite a few OTA’s with them 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Anyone know if any of these ever worked down to Cornwall on clay traffic, or if they were strictly a northern/steelworks thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, Stoker said: Anyone know if any of these ever worked down to Cornwall on clay traffic, or if they were strictly a northern/steelworks thing? Perhaps not on clay traffic, but they might have worked there on fertiliser traffic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Fat Controller said: Perhaps not on clay traffic, but they might have worked there on fertiliser traffic. They definitely worked into Cornwall on fertiliser trains; the Truro working was usually around five of these wagons in its last years of operation having replaced the PWA “Palvans”. As for china clay, it’s unlikely they were used but not impossible. I can’t recall seeing one on such a working but you never know. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Western Aviator said: They definitely worked into Cornwall on fertiliser trains; the Truro working was usually around five of these wagons in its last years of operation having replaced the PWA “Palvans”. As for china clay, it’s unlikely they were used but not impossible. I can’t recall seeing one on such a working but you never know. For a long time, some china-clay trains had a mixture of Ferry-vans of various types in their formation, carrying bagged china clay. BR used to send them down west to avoid sending them back empty to the Continent. Not too difficult to imagine one of these wagons mixed in with other types. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: For a long time, some china-clay trains had a mixture of Ferry-vans of various types in their formation, carrying bagged china clay. BR used to send them down west to avoid sending them back empty to the Continent. Not too difficult to imagine one of these wagons mixed in with other types. I agree. Plenty of other types of Cargowaggons were frequent visitors to Cornwall so it is quite possible these turned up on the china clay circuit too. Whilst a photograph would prove they were used, no photograph doesn’t necessarily mean they weren’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Pleased to see these coming available. Scratch building one of the cargowaggons has been on my mental wish list for a long time but there's never enough hours in the day! Good shout Ben and team, hope it all goes smoothly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going2theDogs Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Hi All, A great choice Ben. I am interested in the ' Cargowaggon' version. Looking to replicate this in model form, can anyone advise if these new wagons would of been used in the same rake as the previously produced Heljan versions. Photo's confirming this would be great. Thanks. Edited August 25, 2019 by CB Rail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Of the covered wagons, which of these liveries is still in existence (or were still in existence around ten years ago)? The first post has a photograph dated 2014, but the wagons look so dirty that it's hard to tell what the original livery was. Obviously whichever version I decide to buy, it will need a lot of weathering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Dungrange said: Of the covered wagons, which of these liveries is still in existence (or were still in existence around ten years ago)? The first post has a photograph dated 2014, but the wagons look so dirty that it's hard to tell what the original livery was. Obviously whichever version I decide to buy, it will need a lot of weathering. Hi David, In the last ten years the vans have been primarily associated with aluminium traffic between Neuss, in Germany, and Ditton/Warrington in NW England, conveying aluminium (ingots or coil I think) in each direction. One of the headcodes for these trains is 6O16, and a quick photo search suggests that these wagons carry a very dirty Cargowaggon livery. https://images.app.goo.gl/68tfcVYuSNB2yvPt9 cheers Ben A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) I don't think the 'Cargowaggon' ones have ever received a clean, let alone a new livery; I don't know what happened to the Norsk-Hydro liveried ones. The only changes I can think of that have been made are the style of the 'OHL' warnings, and the painted ownership details. As regards 'weathering'; I think these vans have taken over the mantle of the SR parcels-vans of BR days.. I have seen a few cleaned four-wheel twins recently, but they're the exception,not the rule. There are quite a lot of photos here:- https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/I/IWA-bogie-cargowaggons/ They are mixed in with the earlier types. There are two oddities:- The first wagon to be built, where the recessed panels started about a third of the way up the sides. Another wagon, which I only saw once, had a three-piece hood, with the centre section slightly taller than the outer ones. There are views of both , taken by me, on Martyn's site. In the days of the train-ferry, and the early days of the Channel Tunnel, it was common to see the 'Hold-all' wagons mixed with both other bogie and four-wheeled vans, and other wagons, on the two or three wagon-load services to and from Kent. Nowadays their only workings through the Tunnel are as part of the 'Aluminium Train', along with 'Euro-Twin' flats carrying swap-bodies. Edited August 25, 2019 by Fat Controller 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 25, 2019 Hi Brian, Thanks for those details. I had not realised that 000-0 was the only variant with that body style. And I hadn't even spotted the three-piece hood on 161-9! cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ben A said: Hi Brian, Thanks for those details. I had not realised that 000-0 was the only variant with that body style. And I hadn't even spotted the three-piece hood on 161-9! cheers Ben A. The first I spotted on a train from Somain, as it approached Frethun - I was having my lunch in the car and saw it approaching. Presumably, the production wagons were changed to save weight. The other was stabled behind the highest bit of wall at Dover Town yard, and that long shot from the beach was the best I could manage, as the wall there was taller than I was. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 The prototype was quite different in appearance to the production wagons https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ferrynorskhydro/ed13a99a3 paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepallant Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 03/08/2019 at 16:17, Ben A said: Hello all, In my opinion mounded timber loads rarely look convincing, and would probably add £3-5 to the cost of each wagon, so we are supplying the models unloaded only.. cheers Ben A. Here's some OO timber wagons loaded with real twigs on our club layout. The owner spent ages finding the twigs to do this but the effect is so good I can understand that you would not want to try with mouldings of wood piles. Not sure I'll have the patience to do this with the N gauge versions when they come out though! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, davepallant said: Here's some OO timber wagons loaded with real twigs on our club layout. The owner spent ages finding the twigs to do this but the effect is so good I can understand that you would not want to try with mouldings of wood piles. Not sure I'll have the patience to do this with the N gauge versions when they come out though! In a similar vein, I spent a long afternoon cutting lengths of large twigs for a G gauge log wagon, using the real thing does look a lot more convincing than attempts at model logs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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