Ken.W Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Pandora said: Although the day of reckoning is still in the future, the question of a farewell to the class 91 charter train should be answered. A record attempt for London KX- Edinburgh -London KX is my suggestion. 5 hours ago, Zomboid said: KX - Edinburgh - Euston would probably sell quite well. As would a non-stop London - Edinburgh and back run. With the traffic levels on the ECML now, and even more planned, I expect any record or non-stop attempt to be highly unlikely, either in being attempted or to succeed. It's difficult enough now trying to keep to time with regular services, never mind for some such 'special'. There's currently one train southbound booked non-stop from Newcastle to Kings X, it rarely in my experience actually managers to do so! And this is supposed to be a premium business service. Also to do a non-stop London - Edinburgh run, it would only be Newcastle crews with the required route knowledge. Would probably be over the permitted continuous driving hours too. Unlike when BR made such runs, besides there being many more trains, many of them are by different companies, which will not have their services delayed and disrupted for some other making some special run. With TPE for example, it's considered critical they get through the heavily congested Leeds - Manchester areas on time, so they now therefore take priority on the ECML, and we'll often now follow them, for the sake of a couple minutes, from Newcastle to York, even though it means loosing us 20 minutes!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ken.W said: With the traffic levels on the ECML now, and even more planned, I expect any record or non-stop attempt to be highly unlikely, either in being attempted or to succeed. It's difficult enough now trying to keep to time with regular services, never mind for some such 'special'. There's currently one train southbound booked non-stop from Newcastle to Kings X, it rarely in my experience actually managers to do so! And this is supposed to be a premium business service. Also to do a non-stop London - Edinburgh run, it would only be Newcastle crews with the required route knowledge. Would probably be over the permitted continuous driving hours too. Unlike when BR made such runs, besides there being many more trains, many of them are by different companies, which will not have their services delayed and disrupted for some other making some special run. With TPE for example, it's considered critical they get through the heavily congested Leeds - Manchester areas on time, so they now therefore take priority on the ECML, and we'll often now follow them, for the sake of a couple minutes, from Newcastle to York, even though it means loosing us 20 minutes!! Also I doubt its good publicity to do a record breaking run with the traction that's being retired, suggesting its faster than whats replacing it ! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2019 91117 & 911120 have been on UKRL Leicester all day Monday, looking smart & awaiting next move, partly blocked by other stock so not easily photographable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Legend said: Also I doubt its good publicity to do a record breaking run with the traction that's being retired, suggesting its faster than whats replacing it ! I agree. When the Pendolinos were being introduced on the WCML, any service hauled/propelled by an 87 or 90 seemed to slow quite regularly. Was this because they could no longer perform well without expensive maintenance? Or perhaps they were deliberately slowing to make the new service seem even better? I still have not decided on that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 this was in my local paper https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17915782.plans-stirling-railway-service/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just been given a possible heads up that 91117 and 120 are expected to leave Leicester next week by road to Immingham docks, then onto Germany and Voith for their gearing changes and other European kit fitted. Probably the last time you’re going to see them on UK Rails is when they are tripped round to Knighton Junction to be put on trailers. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted October 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) Does anyone know if 91132, which was on the hit list as it was supposed to go back in July got a withdrawal date? Of the five planned to be first withdrawn, 91108 and 91103 are being used for component recovery and 91117 and 91120 for export leaving 91132 still thundering up and down the ECML. Edited October 10, 2019 by jools1959 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted October 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) I happened to be in London early this morning on my way to catch the Eurostar to Amsterdam and had a look over the wall on York Way to see what was in The Cross. I was pleased to find three 91s waiting for the day's duties to begin. Edited October 19, 2019 by Western Aviator 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Love this livery 91119 at Doncaster 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Rockhopper said: A couple from me around Durham. One in GNER 2011 and the other Intercity in 1995. Sorry, but the 'GNER' one's unfortunately National Excuse... White waistline with purple name patches 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 13 hours ago, Ken.W said: Sorry, but the 'GNER' one's unfortunately National Excuse... White waistline with purple name patches The purple patches denote East Coast rather than National Express - I seem to recall being at Kings Cross just after NXEC had handed back the franchise (November 2009) and saw staff hastily replacing the National Express title with East Coast purple patches on stock in between arrival and departure (limited time meant application wasn't always the best!). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, SP Steve said: The purple patches denote East Coast rather than National Express - I seem to recall being at Kings Cross just after NXEC had handed back the franchise (November 2009) and saw staff hastily replacing the National Express title with East Coast purple patches on stock in between arrival and departure (limited time meant application wasn't always the best!). Ah yes of course Difficult keeping up with them all lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) A couple of shots from Durham taken yesterday, 24th October 2019 91111 comes off the viaduct and slows for the station stop with a northbound train. Nice to see the named locos still carrying their nameplates, unlike the LNER HST Class 43s, which are expected to be retired by Christmas By comparison 91125 hurtles past on the through tracks - scary! Cheers Trevor Edited October 25, 2019 by Trev52A typo 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mc Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 25/10/19 91127 at Wakefield Westgate 91105 alongside 144002 at Leeds DVT 82201 (with 91105) Then 105 leaving Westgate Jack 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 More recent shots of 91s at Newcastle: 91112 comes off the King Edward Bridge approaching Newcastle on 8th August 2019, passing 185132 stabled below Almost a full house at Newcastle on 5th August 2019, with 91110 and 91132 on the right. On the left 43239 is at the rear of a Kings Cross-bound HST 91121 at Newcastle on 22nd July 2019 91101 heads north through Manors on 13th September 2019 Trevor 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 91132 at york 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted November 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2019 Just had a “heads up” from my undercover spy still on the railway, that six Class 91’s (I don’t know which one’s) are due to be stricken from the LNER fleet in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 Has anyone seen/photographed 91116 in the last few days? I understand it has just been returned to traffic after several months out of use following fire damage. (It's the only 91 I haven't seen yet!) Cheers Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Trev52A said: Has anyone seen/photographed 91116 in the last few days? I understand it has just been returned to traffic after several months out of use following fire damage. (It's the only 91 I haven't seen yet!) Cheers Trevor Currently stopped again, on T/M repairs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthesod4479 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Some with long memories may be able to answer this. Years ago one was named Terence Cuneo and he painted a mouse on the loco Was this ever saved or just painted over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bobthesod4479 said: Some with long memories may be able to answer this. Years ago one was named Terence Cuneo and he painted a mouse on the loco Was this ever saved or just painted over? 91111.. the mouse survived until National Express livery, it can be seen here, in the top right corner of the white band on the body side you need to zoom in close to see it, (not to be confused with the black mark behind it on the roof panel) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q942987#/media/File:91111_at_Kings_Cross_1.jpg 91111 now wears vinyls for “For the Fallen” in ww1 livery, maybe it survives beneath the vinyl.. Edited November 4, 2019 by adb968008 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, bobthesod4479 said: Some with long memories may be able to answer this. Years ago one was named Terence Cuneo and he painted a mouse on the loco Was this ever saved or just painted over? This was discussed several pages back on this thread - see posts 19th-20th August. The new mice appear on each side of 91111 on the purple body stripe - but you will need to look hard to see them! Cheers Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthesod4479 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Thanks Trevor, apologies for not seeing that bit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, bobthesod4479 said: Thanks Trevor, apologies for not seeing that bit! Don't worry bob - I often join a thread half way through! Here's an enlargement from a photo of the RHS of 91111 - the mouse is immediately to the left of the poppy under the nameplate. Cheers Trevor 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 04/11/2019 at 00:10, adb968008 said: 91111.. the mouse survived until National Express livery, it can be seen here, in the top right corner of the white band on the body side you need to zoom in close to see it, (not to be confused with the black mark behind it on the roof panel) That is quite clearly a Vynal mouse - just look at its tail! I suspect the mouse disappeared in GNER days - and what you have pictured is a photo of it that has been printed onto a piece of Vynal and stuck onto the loco on top of the National Express livery. It is also quite likely that the same photo was used to add the mouse to the WW1 wrap - at least in that case it appears to be an integral part of the design and not simply slapped on top. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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