RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 The whole Doncaster area layout is so restrictive , a lot of services from the south to the wood yard or rail port go via Lincoln to avoid awkward run rounds There is no access to the west side yards such as Belmont from the north after half way down platform 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 07:21, iands said: Northbound from platform 1 was a requirement for flexibility, and the relevant signalling provided, as part of the Doncaster resignalling in the mid 1980s. Admittedly at the time (and since), used mostly for the Goole/Scunthorpe services (until platform 0 came into use) rather than IC services to York etc, but not entirely unknown. The northbound move of platform 1 Doncaster into the old cattle dock siding and reverse has been used for emergency pantograph changes or repairs on the 91 fleet, the 91 being dragged off the stock by a diesel into the cattle dock siding where the fitters could fix the damaged head, the 91 the would be shunted back to the stock, recoupled and back into service. It did not happen very often, but there was a day when every 91 had a pantograph damage due to an object trapped in the OHLE, it was several hours before the exact location of the object was found by which point spare parts were in short supply Edited December 1, 2019 by Pandora 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2019 16 hours ago, russ p said: You have sort of answered it Phil The reason why a passenger train cant start on the authority of a shunt signal is that the signal may apply to a route which doesn't have facing point locks and the signalman will tell you if it has been clamped and locked. In the early 2000s when I worked for central trains, trains would sometimes start at wymondham if there were engineering works and the down platform had a shunting signal in the up direction However in areas like Doncaster with MAS signalling and NX panels, all the points will be fitted with an FPL anyway (they are an intrinsic part of the mechanism in most point machines / hydraulic points) so calling the driver is more a courtesy rather than a safety issue. Obviously at places like Wymondham with mechanical points and / or mechanical signalling, the situation will be different and explicit reassurance regarding the clipping up of points is more important. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 Because ground position light signals are also used in mechanical areas the rule has to be the same for all of them 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 19/08/2019 at 21:37, 60091 said: Newcastle, February 1997. You can get a photo of the man himself with his mouse, only one left! https://www.amazon.com/Vintage-photo-of-Terence-Cuneo/dp/B07NP45W4F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Class 800s are horrible. Miss the HSTs on the WCML. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 15 hours ago, rogerzilla said: Class 800s are horrible. Miss the HSTs on the WCML. Has anyone seen or tried a Hull trains one yet or are they the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 They're not service yet, but I'd be shocked if they were materially different inside, other than maybe colour scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted December 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2019 21 hours ago, Zomboid said: They're not service yet, but I'd be shocked if they were materially different inside, other than maybe colour scheme. https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/news/2019/the-future-of-rail-travel-is-here-paragon-train-makes-first-journey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mc Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Class 91s and Mk4s at York and Darlington, 7/12/19 91101 Flying Scotsman 91104 91104 sat alongside 144003. I think this photograph shows how sleek the design of a 91 is, especially next to a class which I've always considered to be a 'small' train. Mk4 DVT 82200 91105 91107 Skyfall Mk4 DVT 82208 91110 Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - being my personal favourite, due to being the first 91 I can remember riding behind (during a short spell in East Coast grey just before receiving it's unique livery), I was pleased to see passing members of the public stopping and admiring the loco and it's livery. 91113 91116 91124 Mk4 DVT 82204, alongside 801205 91126 Darlington Hippodrome 91132 Jack 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2019 A couple from London Kings Cross on the evening of 8th December 2019. 91113 waits to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, flanked by 'the new kids on the block'. A view that will soon pass into history, 91129 on the left, which had just arrived with 1E99, 16.20 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross, with 91113 on the right, waiting to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle. The driver of 1N34, who was just setting up the loco ready for departure, said that he'd miss them when they're gone. And the HSTs which he also drives. He was open and honest about their shortcomings, but that they represent solid if aged engineering and are a known quantity that allows him to drive. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Class 91s at York today (10th December 2019). Please excuse the dreadful weather! 91107 'Skyfall' departs north 91114 'Durham Cathedral' arrives at the rear of a southbound train 91119 'Bounds Green' waits to head north 91129 departs at the rear of a southbound train passing 66434 (on empty Freightliner wagons*) 91102 'City of York' awaits departure as CrossCountry's 221121 heads north 91115 'Blaydon Races' awaiting departure with my train back to Newcastle. Howay the Lads! *I'm pretty sure that is not the correct terminology - no doubt somebody will keep me right, please. Looking back, most the 91s I saw were named, and all still with 'plates intact. Long may it continue! Trevor 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2019 I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens. Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, jools1959 said: I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens. Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s. Fair point, and probably even less demand elsewhere for three of them per set as in current formations. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 09/12/2019 at 20:00, 4630 said: A couple from London Kings Cross on the evening of 8th December 2019. 91113 waits to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, flanked by 'the new kids on the block'. A view that will soon pass into history, 91129 on the left, which had just arrived with 1E99, 16.20 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross, with 91113 on the right, waiting to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle. The driver of 1N34, who was just setting up the loco ready for departure, said that he'd miss them when they're gone. And the HSTs which he also drives. He was open and honest about their shortcomings, but that they represent solid if aged engineering and are a known quantity that allows him to drive. Something missing from the one on the left there by the looks...! And still like it in Trev52a's pic two days later. Interesting to see that some such as 91126 above have white front farings, looks much better in my opinion, the black just hides it as part of the underframe and reduces the sleek look, a bit like the way buffers spoiled the nose of the HST. Presumably that's just the colour they are, and it saves repainting them when they are replaced after being damaged. Incidentally, considering all the noise about the stripes on FGW's Intercity swallow HST power car, I'm surprised I've never heard anyone mention that the red and white stripes on 91119 are too high... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 22:02, jools1959 said: I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens. Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s. I think the coaches sent for scrap are the spares from the rakes going to TfW so certainly lots of firsts but some TSOs as well as intermediate mk4s are not fitted with conventional buffers, couplings or gangways, they are pretty useless once the end coach TOE and DVT are unavailable. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 91019 At Doncaster today 16-12-19 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, vulcan product fan said: 91019 At Doncaster today 16-12-19 Paused on the bridge to admire that streak through Welwyn Garden City around lunchtime! Still looks the part. The Nim. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerzilla Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 They are good looking things. I wonder if they'll ever be attractive for preservation? I'm not sure a heritage railway would be allowed to set up 25kV catenary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 hours ago, rogerzilla said: They are good looking things. I wonder if they'll ever be attractive for preservation? I'm not sure a heritage railway would be allowed to set up 25kV catenary. From a regulatory point of view you stand a far grater chance of the ORR agreeing to it than third rail. Although 25KV sounds more dangerous, having it up in the air out of harms way* is a lot safer and complies with the Electricity at Work act, etc.. (unlike third rail) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Cost will prevent any preserved line going for OLE. That and the "spoils the view of the kettles" view - not unjustified really... Preserved electrics will have to run on the main line if they're going to have an operational future. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 Three from last year when still in Virgin branding: 91126 'Darlington Hippodrome' crosses the King Edward bridge onto Newcastle on 7th June 2018 91101 'Flying Scotsman' enters Newcastle past standby loco 67014 on the same day 91103 after arrival at Newcastle at the rear of a southbound train on 15th September Trevor 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 not long ago while i was waiting for the farewell hst, a 91 went by with 2 driving cars on the north end but by the time i noticed it, it was too late to photograph it was most likely the 1A25 leeds-kings cross Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 hours ago, sir douglas said: not long ago while i was waiting for the farewell hst, a 91 went by with 2 driving cars on the north end but by the time i noticed it, it was too late to photograph it was most likely the 1A25 leeds-kings cross 91111 attached to a dead 91106. It was stood next to the tour before departure from Leeds. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 21/12/2019 at 12:10, sir douglas said: not long ago while i was waiting for the farewell hst, a 91 went by with 2 driving cars on the north end but by the time i noticed it, it was too late to photograph it was most likely the 1A25 leeds-kings cross 22 hours ago, Phil Mc said: 91111 attached to a dead 91106. It was stood next to the tour before departure from Leeds. Here they are working 1A25 just after passing through Sandal & Agbrigg. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now