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The whole Doncaster area layout is so restrictive , a lot of services from the south to the wood yard or rail port go via Lincoln to avoid awkward run rounds

There is no access to the west side yards such as Belmont from the north after half way down platform 3

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On 12/11/2019 at 07:21, iands said:

Northbound from platform 1 was a requirement for flexibility, and the relevant signalling provided, as part of the Doncaster resignalling in the mid 1980s. Admittedly at the time (and since), used mostly for the Goole/Scunthorpe services (until platform 0 came into use) rather than IC services to York etc, but not entirely unknown. 

The northbound move of platform 1 Doncaster into the old cattle dock siding and reverse has been  used for emergency  pantograph  changes or repairs on the 91 fleet,  the 91 being dragged  off the stock by a diesel into the cattle dock siding where the fitters could fix the damaged head, the 91 the  would be shunted back to the stock, recoupled and back into service.    It did not happen very often, but there was a day when  every 91 had a pantograph damage due to an object  trapped in the OHLE,  it was several hours before the exact location of the object was  found by which point spare parts were in short supply

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16 hours ago, russ p said:

You have sort of answered it Phil 

The reason why a passenger train cant start on the authority of a shunt signal is that the signal may apply to a route which doesn't have facing point locks and the signalman will tell you if it has been clamped and locked. 

In the early 2000s when I worked for central trains,  trains would sometimes start at wymondham if there were engineering works and the down platform had a shunting signal in the up direction 

 

However in areas like Doncaster with MAS signalling and NX panels, all the points will be fitted with an FPL anyway (they are an intrinsic part of the mechanism in most point machines / hydraulic points) so calling the driver is more a courtesy rather than a safety issue.

 

Obviously at places like Wymondham with mechanical points and / or mechanical signalling, the situation will be different and explicit reassurance regarding the clipping up of points is more important.

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Class 91s and Mk4s at York and Darlington, 7/12/19

 

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91101 Flying Scotsman

 

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91104

 

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91104 sat alongside 144003. I think this photograph shows how sleek the design of a 91 is, especially next to a class which I've always considered to be a 'small' train.

 

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Mk4 DVT 82200

 

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91105

 

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91107 Skyfall

 

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Mk4 DVT 82208

 

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91110 Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - being my personal favourite, due to being the first 91 I can remember riding behind (during a short spell in East Coast grey just before receiving it's unique livery), I was pleased to see passing members of the public stopping and admiring the loco and it's livery.

 

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91113

 

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91116

 

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91124

 

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Mk4 DVT 82204, alongside 801205

 

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91126 Darlington Hippodrome

 

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91132

 

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A couple from London Kings Cross on the evening of 8th December 2019.

 

91113 waits to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, flanked by 'the new kids on the block'.

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A view that will soon pass into history, 91129 on the left, which had just arrived with 1E99, 16.20 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross, with 91113 on the right, waiting to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle.

 

The driver of 1N34, who was just setting up the loco ready for departure, said that he'd miss them when they're gone.  And the HSTs which he also drives.  He was open and honest about their shortcomings, but that they represent solid if aged engineering and are a known quantity that allows him to drive. 

 

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Class 91s at York today (10th December 2019). Please excuse the dreadful weather!

 

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91107 'Skyfall' departs north

 

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91114 'Durham Cathedral' arrives at the rear of a southbound train

 

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91119 'Bounds Green' waits to head north

 

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91129 departs at the rear of a southbound train passing 66434 (on empty Freightliner wagons*)

 

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91102 'City of York' awaits departure as CrossCountry's 221121 heads north

 

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91115 'Blaydon Races' awaiting departure with my train back to Newcastle. Howay the Lads!

 

*I'm pretty sure that is not the correct terminology - no doubt somebody will keep me right, please.

 

Looking back, most the 91s I saw were named, and all still with 'plates intact. Long may it continue!

 

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I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens.  Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s.

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1 hour ago, jools1959 said:

I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens.  Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s.

 

Fair point, and probably even less demand elsewhere for three of them per set as in current formations.

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On 09/12/2019 at 20:00, 4630 said:

A couple from London Kings Cross on the evening of 8th December 2019.

 

91113 waits to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle, flanked by 'the new kids on the block'.

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A view that will soon pass into history, 91129 on the left, which had just arrived with 1E99, 16.20 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross, with 91113 on the right, waiting to depart with 1N34, 21.00 London Kings Cross to Newcastle.

 

The driver of 1N34, who was just setting up the loco ready for departure, said that he'd miss them when they're gone.  And the HSTs which he also drives.  He was open and honest about their shortcomings, but that they represent solid if aged engineering and are a known quantity that allows him to drive. 

 

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Something missing from the one on the left there by the looks...! And still like it in Trev52a's pic two days later. Interesting to see that some such as 91126 above have white front farings, looks much better in my opinion, the black just hides it as part of the underframe and reduces the sleek look, a bit like the way buffers spoiled the nose of the HST. Presumably that's just the colour they are, and it saves repainting them when they are replaced after being damaged.

 

Incidentally, considering all the noise about the stripes on FGW's Intercity swallow HST power car, I'm surprised I've never heard anyone mention that the red and white stripes on 91119 are too high... 

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On 10/12/2019 at 22:02, jools1959 said:

I know it’s not about a Class 91 but Mk IV’s, but I’ve noticed that most, if not all the stock that’s gone to Booth’s are first opens.  Maybe they think there’s more demand for the TSO’s.

I think the coaches sent for scrap are the spares from the rakes going to TfW so certainly lots of firsts but some TSOs as well

 

as intermediate mk4s are not fitted with conventional buffers, couplings or gangways, they are pretty useless once the end coach TOE and DVT are unavailable.

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13 hours ago, rogerzilla said:

They are good looking things.  I wonder if they'll ever be attractive for preservation?  I'm not sure a heritage railway would be allowed to set up 25kV catenary.

 

From a regulatory point of view you stand a far grater chance of the ORR agreeing to it than third rail. Although 25KV sounds more dangerous, having it up in the air out of harms way* is a lot safer and complies with the Electricity at Work act, etc.. (unlike third rail)

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Three from last year when still in Virgin branding:

 

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91126 'Darlington Hippodrome' crosses the King Edward bridge onto Newcastle on 7th June 2018

 

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91101 'Flying Scotsman' enters Newcastle past standby loco 67014 on the same day

 

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91103 after arrival at Newcastle at the rear of a southbound train on 15th September

 

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6 hours ago, sir douglas said:

not long ago while i was waiting for the farewell hst, a 91 went by with 2 driving cars on the north end but by the time i noticed it, it was too late to photograph

 

it was most likely the 1A25 leeds-kings cross

91111 attached to a dead 91106.

It was stood next to the tour before departure from Leeds. 

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On 21/12/2019 at 12:10, sir douglas said:

not long ago while i was waiting for the farewell hst, a 91 went by with 2 driving cars on the north end but by the time i noticed it, it was too late to photograph

 

it was most likely the 1A25 leeds-kings cross

 

22 hours ago, Phil Mc said:

91111 attached to a dead 91106.

It was stood next to the tour before departure from Leeds. 

 

 

Here they are working 1A25 just after passing through Sandal & Agbrigg.

 

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