m0rris Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, ash39 said: I'm surprised how little activity there is surrounding this release considering it's going to be a key piece of rolling stock over much of the UK for the next 30 years. Does anyone know if development is still on track, or if there have been any Covid-related delays? Notably I am signed up to a Japanese retailers mailing list which is really good for updates and had the 800 announcement but there's hasnt been a sausage for a long, long time. I suspect that the answer is somewhere on a Japanese forum but good luck finding it! edit to add: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katomodels.com%2Fhobbycenter%2Fschedule.php here's the Japanese product update page, not a sausage on the immediate schedule about the 800. Edited August 27, 2020 by m0rris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 27/08/2020 at 17:43, ash39 said: Does anyone know if development is still on track, or if there have been any Covid-related delays? Yes, but sworn to secrecy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolongtoremember Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 27/08/2020 at 21:43, m0rris said: Notably I am signed up to a Japanese retailers mailing list which is really good for updates and had the 800 announcement but there's hasnt been a sausage for a long, long time. I suspect that the answer is somewhere on a Japanese forum but good luck finding it! edit to add: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katomodels.com%2Fhobbycenter%2Fschedule.php here's the Japanese product update page, not a sausage on the immediate schedule about the 800. Looking at that list, I'd have to assume Kato have dropped the idea of a class 800. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 But that is only to March 2021 isn't it, a bit like a Bachmann schedule of near releases rather than a long term plan of releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 Kato won’t announce anything until either a trade show or it appears on their announcement list. That’s how they do it. First you know about progress is when it appears on the release schedule. Similarly nothing new officially on the 009 items but Mr Kato has demonstrated two pre production development tests privately at a exhibition in the UK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) On 02/09/2020 at 10:37, toolongtoremember said: Looking at that list, I'd have to assume Kato have dropped the idea of a class 800. They won’t appear until they’ve finished design and are actually in the production stage This usually gives slightly more warning when to look at the production list. They are listed on the top left with year and month planned so they’ve just released 2021/1 for January https://www.katomodels.com/posters Edited September 4, 2020 by PaulRhB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just released this with a May date https://www.katomodels.com/posters 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Too modern and out of my geographical location, but I’d be very tempted by one of these. Good value at £180 as well. David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, bmthtrains - David said: Too modern and out of my geographical location, but I’d be very tempted by one of these. I think it’s called inspiration David or possibly corruption . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolongtoremember Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, bmthtrains - David said: Too modern and out of my geographical location, but I’d be very tempted by one of these. Good value at £180 as well. David £180 before tax, and does anybody know if it is DCC ready or is it like the rest of Katos offerings where we have to change the PCB and hardwire with a specific decoder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, toolongtoremember said: £180 before tax, Generally you can get them here or imported direct for around the Kato quoted price on other items so worth watching shops like Traintrax. Quote and does anybody know if it is DCC ready or is it like the rest of Katos offerings where we have to change the PCB and hardwire with a specific decoder? No details yet but the 009 stuff with Peco is going to include dcc sockets but it will probably make equal sense for them to use an existing drop in Kato board for these. I guess if you want a specific decoder you can hardwire one but I’ve generally found the drop in boards work well and very simple to install. The text on the website says the tail lights will be able to be switched off for 10 car sets but no detail about dcc apart from this Translation is DCC friendly. Edited November 27, 2020 by PaulRhB 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolongtoremember Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Thanks! I will be buying two anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 £180 is great value and makes £165 for an old spec Farish 170 look very expensive indeed. I suspect this will sell very well and bring much needed competition to the British N market 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Don't know if anyone has seen these before , but these appear to be test shots / development models. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsthero Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 The Kato ICE4 uses slide in decoders for dcc so the 800 could be the same. It needs three decoders, one in power car and one in each driving car. I have these decoders which were in a set made by Zimo Model SETMX605N. Very easy to fit. There also coach lighting function only decoders available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, hsthero said: The Kato ICE4 uses slide in decoders for dcc so the 800 could be the same. It needs three decoders, one in power car and one in each driving car. I have these decoders which were in a set made by Zimo Model SETMX605N. Very easy to fit. There also coach lighting function only decoders available. The diagrams show the coach is the power unit on the 800’s too so probably the same as they’ve used dcc friendly to mean this on other models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Supaned said: Don't know if anyone has seen these before , but these appear to be test shots / development models. Look like CAD renders to me, note the perfect light and shadows, albeit very good ones and the real thing will look identical on previous experience Edited November 27, 2020 by PaulRhB 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I see they think that ECML modellers are a bit more flush by charging and extra £10 per set . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 The CAD render looks stunning and the website suggests there is an optional extra for interior lights. Im modelling WCML around 2005-2015 so I guess a TPE 802 if they do one later wouldn’t be too out of place... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Rails are offering pre orders for £169. Will be hard to resist at that price! A GWR set might be on trials near Rugby I suppose...? David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 Showing the photo of the GWR one on Coombe viaduct seems almost fated to make me get one. It's certainly not in my modelling time frame but who knows, maybe I need to start saving some pennies. The price for a 5 coach set certainly does seem to be very very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, bmthtrains - David said: Rails are offering pre orders for £169. Will be hard to resist at that price! A GWR set might be on trials near Rugby I suppose...? David They have just altered this price, apparently they make a mistake. The modified price is now £178. Still seems to be great value however. https://railsofsheffield.com/products/42168/kato-10-1671-n-gauge-class-800-0-gwr-iet-800-021-5-car-emu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Kris said: They have just altered this price, apparently they make a mistake. The modified price is now £178. Still seems to be great value however. https://railsofsheffield.com/products/42168/kato-10-1671-n-gauge-class-800-0-gwr-iet-800-021-5-car-emu Comparison of Kato pricing with some other manufacturers is "interesting". Pity that we can't get them to do some more UK-prototype models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 "Interesting" is one word to describe the pricing: Farish two car class 170 for £149 Dapol HST + 2x Mk2 for £169 Kato five car class 800 for £178 (all RoS prices) Dapol five car class 222 for £191 Five Farish Mk2f for £195 Farish six car blue Pullman £299 Farish four car class 220 for £339 I can only assume Kato are going to make a million of them to keep the unit cost down! If it runs anything like the Eurostar it'll me mechanically better than anything Farish or Dapol produce too. "Interesting" times ahead! Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Comparison of Kato pricing with some other manufacturers is "interesting". Pity that we can't get them to do some more UK-prototype models. Their pricing is far closer to that of Dapol's than Farish's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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