BokStein Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, njee20 said: Plus an additional 5(!) decoders for the interior lights according to Hatton’s. So a 5-car set needs 8 decoders in total. Correct! 8 car Japanese Bullets take 11! You could look at Lemke's (by Zimo) 10950-D1 decoder set as an alternative, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2020 That presumably means though that the motor decoder and the function decoders for the directional lights also work the interior lighting. Having to fit two decoders to each of three coaches seems a breathtakingly ridiculous design. I just don’t know why Kato don’t stick an NEM socket in there somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2020 54 minutes ago, njee20 said: That presumably means though that the motor decoder and the function decoders for the directional lights also work the interior lighting. Having to fit two decoders to each of three coaches seems a breathtakingly ridiculous design. I just don’t know why Kato don’t stick an NEM socket in there somewhere. Probably because that’s what their home market is used to and they are readily available there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BokStein Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) On 10/12/2020 at 18:50, njee20 said: That presumably means though that the motor decoder and the function decoders for the directional lights also work the interior lighting. No! On 10/12/2020 at 18:50, njee20 said: Having to fit two decoders to each of three coaches seems a breathtakingly ridiculous design. Breathtakingly ridiculous design - I think not! The coaches are not (nor can be) connected electrically so a central decoder is out of the question. Thus, design a motor decoder (EM13) which controls the motor ONLY. Why waste money on a decoder with two functions when a Zero function decoder will do the job? The end cars each have a plastic 'switch' to turn the head / tail lights on or off if the unit is running in multiple. Take the plastic out and insert an FL12 in its place where required (if two units are permanently coupled, leave the plastic 'switch' either side of the coupling) Most, if not all, of the coaches can take the 11-209, 11-210, 11-211, 11-212, 11-213, 11-214 lighting sets per coach. The FR11 decoder simply fits between the pickups from the bogies and the lighting circuit board. They've thought about this! Installation is simple; the decoders just slide in to where they are to function and there are no blanking plates to remove during conversion. The decoders only perform the single function they are required to do. Here's a summary: Note that this applies to most units where the motor is not in a driver coach, such as the Eurostar or TGV. However, it covers most Japanese Bullet Trains, the Hitachi Class 800s, the ICE 4 and several other models that Kato produce! On 10/12/2020 at 18:50, njee20 said: I just don’t know why Kato don’t stick an NEM socket in there somewhere. Because it would not be efficient or cost effective, perhaps? Edited December 11, 2020 by BokStein Table updated to include HobbySearch Japan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2020 If I were a cynic I’d say it’s because they can make more money off decoders. £145 on a train costing £170. Admittedly I dislike interior lighting, so that saves me 5 decoders. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BokStein Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 21 hours ago, njee20 said: If I were a cynic I’d say it’s because they can make more money off decoders. £145 on a train costing £170. Admittedly I dislike interior lighting, so that saves me 5 decoders. As well as the cost of the lighting sets! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On Hobby Search Japan the Kato LNER Azuma is the number one seller. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted December 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2020 On 03/12/2020 at 00:06, Fenway Park said: Hobby Search in Japan have listed the Kato Assy parts for the 800 series including body shells, power units etc. These are available for reservation. Check out the list on their web site which is in English. I have just put in an order for some spare pantographs and couplings. Kato parts are well manufactured, but more vulnerable items such as couplings and pantographs may easily get damaged, and due to the nature of the production cycles, getting replacements can be tricky/verging on impossible for long periods of time (I broke a coupling on my Eurostar (power car) about 15 years ago which essentially put it out of commission for nearly ten years until the spare finally came available again!). Looks like the front draw-bar is also available (don't know if one is included in the train pack itself) as an Assy part - that is another potentially vulnerable, or easy to lose, part. Link below: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/826/0/1 Class 800 items are towards the bottom of page one and into page two at the time of posting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2020 I really hope they've done an accurate Brecknell Willis high speed pantograph. If they have, given the price, I'll happily have 20! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steam-driven boy Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Claude_Dreyfus said: ...Looks like the front draw-bar is also available (don't know if one is included in the train pack itself) as an Assy part - that is another potentially vulnerable, or easy to lose, part. Gaugemaster product description: https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/catalog/product/view/id/74790/s/kato-k10-1671/ Quote Equipped with a head connection mechanism 16 hours ago, njee20 said: I really hope they've done an accurate Brecknell Willis high speed pantograph. If they have, given the price, I'll happily have 20! Gaugemaster product page images, select image and cursor over for enlarged detail: https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/catalog/product/view/id/74790/s/kato-k10-1671/ Regards, Gerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 Yes, but that’s a render, not a 3D print, and definitely not the final thing. That said, doing some Googling the head on the 800s is different to other BWHS pantographs - it’s like the render, whilst most others are ‘looped’, with more of an offset between the upper arm and the head. So probably moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steam-driven boy Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, njee20 said: Yes, but that’s a render, not a 3D print, and definitely not the final thing. That said, doing some Googling the head on the 800s is different to other BWHS pantographs - it’s like the render, whilst most others are ‘looped’, with more of an offset between the upper arm and the head. So probably moot. Hi, Yes, we've known its a render from when it was first made available, and the big bold lettering on the image itself: Quote Pre-Production 3D Print I do think it's safe to assume the render is the Kato design element for this item, although it may be subject to revision(s) prior to production. Regards, Gerry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2020 *sigh* Yes, I know. You advised me to look at the detail photos on the Gaugemaster page, which obviously I've already seen. But despite the bold lettering those are not 3D prints, they're renders, which probably do correlate to the design, but may not, hence saying "if they have got it right...". However, the pantograph in the render is wrong for the majority of items fitted with a BWHS pantograph which are crying out for a decent rendition; 350, 86, 90 etc. I have now further educated myself and discovered that the pantograph fitted to the 800s is not like the BWHS fitted to those aforementioned classes, so this is completely irrelevant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted December 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2020 I received a mail from a Japanese supplier the other day, listing not only the new 800s but all the individual components listed as spares. I can see bogies, roof bits and pantographs being very useful to the 3D printing and kitbuilding community. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolongtoremember Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=949 Reading the comments at the bottom of the page from Hattons on the above article, Kato have confirmed these will be supplied with interior lighting as standard. Here's hoping they work with DCC out of the box, rather than needing all those extra decoders! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BokStein Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 As I see it, the lighting kits, 11-112 / 11-113, etc. are individually powered from their local coach's bogie. This is the same as many of Kato's Bullet trains and will NEED one of their FR13 style decoders per lighting kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted January 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'd have thought that the decoders are only needed is you want to switch them on and off via DCC? Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BokStein Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Steven B said: I'd have thought that the decoders are only needed is you want to switch them on and off via DCC? Steven B. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted January 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2021 Rather if you want to switch them off, I presume. Bit of a pain, not a fan of interior lighting, so that’ll be taken out! Fair play to them for including it for the price though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BokStein Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, njee20 said: Rather if you want to switch them off, I presume. Bit of a pain, not a fan of interior lighting, so that’ll be taken out! Fair play to them for including it for the price though. Chances are, knowing Kato, they won't be factory fitted anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2021 Literally three posts above - Kato have confirmed they will come fitted with interior lighting as standard. I'm surprised, I must say. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Kato have a video showing the quality of one of the pre-production cars. Starts at around 6m 36s in the video after the ads. Some seriously good quality coming along here. Edited January 18, 2021 by Mike Harvey spelling 4 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 07/01/2021 at 20:52, njee20 said: Rather if you want to switch them off, I presume. Bit of a pain, not a fan of interior lighting, so that’ll be taken out! Fair play to them for including it for the price though. Reading the later comments on Hattons page, it appears that the Class 800 is not fitted with lighting, but can be retrofitted. https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=949 This is the comment:- − Hattons Tom Nick12 days ago edited Hi Nick, thanks for your question. I've just this morning spoken to Gaugemaster who have confirmed the situation regarding the interior coach lighting. The coaches do not come pre-fitted with the lighting kits but they can be added at a later stage if required. Single coach lighting kits come under the code 11-211 and six packs are available under 11-212. We'll be adding these to our system this afternoon and I'll make sure the article is updated with this information as well. Once the lighting is fitted then it will work on analogue or DCC but if you want it to be controllable on DCC then you will need to fit the interior lighting decoders too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2021 That makes more sense! Not me who asked the question, I hasten to add :-) I am happy not to be paying for a feature I don't want! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Mike Harvey said: Kato have a video showing the quality of one of the pre-production cars. Starts at around 6m 36s in the video after the ads. Some seriously good quality coming along here. That does look really good indeed. Can't wait to get my LNER one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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