sem34090 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Morning All - I am trying to compile, for my own reference, a list of what options are available for the modelling of all SR EMU Types and some of the BR Types. I have got so far, and have yet to complete it by a long stretch, but here is what I'm up to so far: Any help in completing this to its fullest extent would be very much appreciated. SR and BR(S) EMU Modelling SR 2-BIL Hornby RTR (From >£70) Ian Kirk Plastic Kit – (£45 - Requires Wheels and Power Unit to complete) Ajay Models Resin Kit (£135 Unpowered, £184 With wheels and Power Unit) SR 2-HAL (Also 2-PAN) Hornby RTR from >£80 SR 2-HAL (‘Tin HAL’) Ajay Models Resin Kit (£135 Unpowered, £181 With wheels and Power Unit) SR 2-NOL Roxey Mouldings – Etched Brass (£129 Per Unit, Requires Wheels and Power Unit) SR 2-SL Rue D’etropal 3D Print SR 2-WIM Rue D’etropal 3D Print SR 3-SUB Roxey Mouldings – Etched Brass (£189 Per Unit, Requires Wheels and Power Unit) Rue D’etropal 3D Print Ajay Models Resin Kit Previously Available. Possible home 3D Print? SR 3-SUB (ex-LSWR) Roxey Mouldings (Etched) Rue D’etropal 3D Print Possible home 3D Print? SR 4-BUF BSL/Phoenix Kit - Aluminium SR 4-COR Silver Fox Models Conversion (Approx £80, excluding Bachmann Bulleid Coaches) Marc Models RTR (£950 – Kit slightly cheaper) BSL/Phoenix Kit - Aluminium SR 4-DD Ajay Models Resin Kit SR 4-GRI BSL/Phoenix Kit - Aluminium SR 4-LAV Ajay Models Resin Kit Previously Available. SR 4-RES BSL/Phoenix Kit - Aluminium SR 4-SUB (4101-4110) Some parts available through No Nonsense Kits. SR 4-SUB (4111 Onwards) Ajay Models Resin Kit Previously Available. Some parts available through No Nonsense Kits SR 5-BEL Hornby RTR Available (>£250) Golden Arrow RTR Previously Available. Wrenn RTR Previously Available. SR 6-CIT Cabs available from Silver Fox. SR 6-PAN Cabs available from Silver Fox. SR 6-PUL Cabs available from Silver Fox, Pullman could be from Hornby BEL. SR W&C 1940 Stock (Class 487) Roxey Mouldings kit previously available. BR MLV (Class 419) Bachmann RTR >£50 DC Kits Plastic Kit - £12 (Body Only) Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available BR 2-EPB (Class 416 – Bulleid) Some parts available from No Nonsense Kits. BR 2-EPB (Class 416 – BR) Bachmann RTR >£100 Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available Replica Railways Bash BR 2-HAP (Class 414 – Also Class 413 4-CAP and Class 418 2-SAP) Forthcoming Bachmann RTR >£150 Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available Replica Railways Bash BR 2-HAP (Class 414, Bulleid) Ajay Models Resin Kit Previously Available BR 4-CEP (Class 411) Bachmann RTR >£150 Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available Replica Railways Bash BR 4-EPB (Class 415 - Bulleid) Some parts available from No Nonsense Kits. BR 4-EPB ( Class 415 – BR) Bash from 2x Bachmann RTR Motor Cars and 2x Bachmann Suburbans. >£250 Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available Replica Railways Bash BR 2H (Class 205) Bachmann RTR >£100 Southern Pride Models Kit MJT Etches and Castings Available Replica Railways Bash Edited July 31, 2019 by sem34090 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Worsley works offer a number of etches for southern units. Those not listed in the 4mm section can be found on their 3mm section and they will likely be able to provide 4mm versions (for instance 3mm dd is offered, will produce 4mm version on request). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 A fairly comprehensive list, but here are a few more for you, sem34090: SR-style 2 HAP from Ayjay Models SR 4 SUB (4111 onwards) was also available from Blacksmith Models. I wonder how many of these etched brass kits have actually been built - my own has not!). 5 BEL from Hornby (you mentioned the possibility of one of these Pullmans going into a 6 PUL , but forgot to mention the Brighton Belle itself! ) 4 VEP from Hornby 4 TC from Kernow Model Railways 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Silly me... I'll add the BEL. I haven't included the later units, nor the 4-Car BR ones, as they are of limited interest to me personally. However, if this is seen as a useful resource I shall add them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 On another note, would anyone be able to supply drawings for any the following - I have ranked them by desirability: SR 2-NOL SR 3-SUB SR 3-SUB (ex-LSWR) SR 4-COR SR 4-LAV SR 4-SUB (4101-4110) SR 4-SUB (4111 Onwards) SR 6-PUL SR 2-SL SR 2-WIM SR W&C 1940 Stock (Class 487) SR 6-CIT SR 6-PAN SR 4-BUF SR 4-GRI SR 4-RES Obviously if you have access to the drawings that'd be preferable, but links to sources are also appreciated. And references to books. Somewhere I have drawings for a 4-COR, in a 1970s edition of Model Railway Constructor but I don't know where that's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Model Railway Constructor: - May 1965, 4-COR drawings (repeated in July 1973 I think) - October 1968, 2-NOL drawings by Ray Chorley - April 1970, 2-BIL, excellent set of drawings by Nick Campling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Mike King does drawings for most if not all of those. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2019 "Bulleid Coaches in 4mm Scale" (S.W.Stephens-Stratten) has all the drawings for the Bulleid 4-SUBs. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Brian Goldings book of all Electric units including the LB&SCR overhead and the trailer units. Keith Ps some of the drawings are a little suspect but in general its very good. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 31/07/2019 at 10:20, sem34090 said: SR 6-PUL Cabs available from Silver Fox, Pullman could be from Hornby BEL. Here's my effort at cut'n'shutting a Belle trailer done a while ago. There are one or two measurement inaccuracies! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2019 May I suggest that if you have not done so already you make contact with Colin Duff, modelling officer of the Southern Electric Group, who may be able to provide more support and detail. Email modelling@southernelectric.org.uk The Group itself may be worth joining if the interest is wider than simply modelling. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted August 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 31/07/2019 at 10:20, sem34090 said: SR 6-PUL Cabs available from Silver Fox, Pullman could be from Hornby BEL. The Pullmans of the 6PUL units were composites. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 Another query - Does anyone know where I might obtain replacement sides to convert a Hornby 2-BIL into one of the 1935 batch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 I am assuming this thread is about 4mm. MARC Models do, or did, all the variations of the 4-COR family - RES, BUF. GRI etc and many other SR EMU's including the 6-PAN and 4-DD; these were, or are, available as kits or RTR as preferred. These are all of brass / nickel silver construction which, in my opinion, is likely to give an eminently superior finish over more recent resin cast or 3-D printed models. My caveat is that due to the proprietor's advancing years, availability is now very variable, but there will be models out there in the market, and a telephone call to Mike Radford at MARC Models may well produce results. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 Unfortunately I don't have that sort of money for a kit I'm unlikely to be able to build. Worth adding to the list though. Modern resin 3D prints offer a perfectly smooth finish with no preparation, so probably result in a better model for me than a first attempt at brass would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 4 hours ago, sem34090 said: Another query - Does anyone know where I might obtain replacement sides to convert a Hornby 2-BIL into one of the 1935 batch? Branchlines do detail etches and conversion etches for the Kirk 2bil. The Kirk kits now available as individual parts from Phoenix paints. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 7 hours ago, sem34090 said: Unfortunately I don't have that sort of money for a kit I'm unlikely to be able to build. Worth adding to the list though. Modern resin 3D prints offer a perfectly smooth finish with no preparation, so probably result in a better model for me than a first attempt at brass would. Understood - although I am not sure I agree with the 'no preparation' bit; a lot of resin printed coaches have problems around the window frames, with areas either needing removal or building up due to issues with the casting process, but they are certainly going to be easier to build! Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tony Teague said: My caveat is that due to the proprietor's advancing years, .................... Tony Indeed Tony, It is regrettable that my order was never fulfilled after several direct phone calls with Mike and also two letters and as a result I've written off my £38. A sad and unfortunate state of affairs when illness strikes. P.S. I shall now be going down the route of ordering etches from Allen Doherty at Worsley Works. He does them for the 4-COR in 4mm and also does the 6-PUL albeit in 3mm but I'm hoping that he'll 'shoot them up' to 4mm. as he did for me with the 3mm 4-LAV which now is in his list. Edited August 6, 2019 by Re6/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 46 minutes ago, Re6/6 said: Indeed Tony, It is regrettable that my order was never fulfilled after several direct phone calls with Mike and also two letters and as a result I've written off my £38. A sad and unfortunate state of affairs when illness strikes. P.S. I shall now be going down the route of ordering etches from Allen Doherty at Worsley Works. He does them for the 4-COR in 4mm and also does the 6-PUL albeit in 3mm but I'm hoping that he'll 'shoot them up' to 4mm. as he did for me with the 3mm 4-LAV which now is in his list. Very sorry to hear that things have reached that state; he had such an excellent product range and one can only hope that it gets picked up in due course by someone who can take it forward. Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just seen a Silver fox conversion kit to make a 4'cor emu set. Link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Fox-SR-4COR-EMU-Conversion-Kit/202745291200?hash=item2f348fa1c0:g:RJEAAOSwNHBdKQ8f 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 4-LAV roof question. Can anybody help me with identifying these three roof vents(?)/covers please and are they available as whitemetal castings. I have a feeling that I've seen them by somebody somewhere before! Many thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Vents for the traction motors, I think. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Hi all. Years back when I was the Southern Electric Group's Modelling Secretary, I compiled a little ist of bits & pieces. A lot will now be out-of-date and discontinued but it may help a bit. Dave. PARTS.doc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted August 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) On 06/08/2019 at 21:42, Re6/6 said: 4-LAV roof question. Can anybody help me with identifying these three roof vents(?)/covers please and are they available as whitemetal castings. I have a feeling that I've seen them by somebody somewhere before! Many thanks. The 4 LAVs, apart from 2954 and 2955 had Metropolitan Vickers cab mounted equipment (power resistances contactors etc). Much heat emanated in these cabs and I would think these roof appendages were ventilators for cooling. Later SR muliple units had (English Electric) underframe mounted equipment with the noticeable large resistance grids clearly visible beneath the motor coaches. The first ten 2 BIL units also had cab mounted equipment but if I am not mistaken, only had two of these ventilators. The cable from the power jumper connection block (not the receptacle) on units with cab mounted equipment runs upwards past the RH cab window to the roof, whereas on units with underframe mounted equipment, it runs downwards from the jumper connection block. In both cases it feeds the Power (positive) Junction Box via the jumper line fuse. fromthe power Edited August 21, 2019 by Right Away 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I recently acquired some Bachmann 2EPBs to hopefully recreate a mid 60's Caterham train. Would someone please advise as to what additional and/or replacement coaches would be needed to make a Bachmann 2EPB into a 4 EPB. I'm hoping some Bachmann BR standard suburbans would be appropriate. And if so, would the colour be the same? TIA Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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