RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 Are the lockers on the back of the cab a separate etch which goes in later? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted October 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't have any photos of the inside of the cab looking backwards - so what do any lockers look like? I originally thought that there might be a large locker in the centre and etched this but it clearly fouls the handbrake. Drawings of this area are not at all clear on this, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) There's a photo of partially cut up (?) 40083 on this Western Thunder page: http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/a-west-midlands-works.3825/page-4 The photo shows the cutout/bevelled corner that clears the handbrake. Simon Edited October 17, 2019 by 65179 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted October 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 That's great - more work to do now, I need to change the coal doors as well. Pity I couldn't find that photo much earlier! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2019 Here is how I ended up drawing it up in 4mm 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Michael Edge Posted October 24, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2019 Stanier 3P is nearly finished now after getting back to the frames this week. Two photo showing the completed frames ready for painting. I didn't have room for the balance weights on the etch and I forgot the link pivot brackets so a little scratchbuilding was necessary. I had etched the cylinder wrappers but with the later oval cover plates - this one has to have the original round ones (not fitted here, they are on the painted photos). The etch for the valve spindle slidebars worked out better than I expected although soldering them to the valve chests was a bit difficult. The coupling rods will be removed for painting but everything else stays on, I'll mask off the motor and gearbox but that's all. It was at this point that I thought I'd better put the injectors on first since they are fitted on the frames partly behind the cab steps. With everything sprayed black, on to the easy bits, first coupling rods back on, tyres scraped clean with the motor running. The pre-laminated slidebars locate on the motion bracket and fit through holes in the cylinder covers - a touch of solder at each end locks them in place now, just the top ones at first. the leading crankpin fastener is recessed into the coupling rod, held by a thinned down Slater's nut. There are no clearance issues with this loco in O gauge, the crosshead and leading crankpin never coincide, but if there were a thinner fastener tapped 12BA would sit in the etched recess. Round the other side now, connecting rods laminated from three layers plus a thickener at the boss, the crosshead made up and attached to the little end witha 12BA screw and nut. The drop link is soldered on and the piston rod fitted, the whole assembly can be slid in place from the cylinder end (the drop link would prevent the crosshead being slid in the other way). This is possible because the lower slidebar (sitting on the bench in front of the loco) isn't fitted yet. Lower slidebar fitted and locked in place - everything ran smoothly first time, the angle on the end of the slidebars just enough to clear the con. rod - as it should do. The return crank will be fitted on the remaining portion of the driving crankpin screw, the connecting rod is on a second Slater's bush with a washer packing it out a little. Valve gear to put together tomorrow, I still have to machine the chimney and dome and finish the smokebox door pattern. I've also got to work out how to alter the bunker front without taking the cab roof off - that's not going to be easy. 15 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Excellent, watching with interest.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2019 What gearbox have you used for this one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted October 25, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2019 It's a Slater's GB30 with a Canon motor. All my 7mm locos have had Slater's gearboxes for some time now, they are easy to fit, very reliable and readily available. A big advantage of this type of gearbox (and also ABC) is that the skew gear drive is reversible, the Canon motor seems better than the Mashima which used to be fitted to these. The driven axle is compensated with the leading one, movement of the gearbox is restrained by the footplate bracket in front of it and a plate at the rear of the motor. This allows up and down movement and a little forward and backwards rocking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Michael Edge Posted October 28, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2019 Valve gear assembled, LH side. RH side About 1.5 hours work to do that, the fabricated link brackets don't look too bad, would have been easier to assemble if I had included a hole in the frames where the link pivot goes. I usually do this, passing a long wire through the frames and link brackets to make sure they are in the right place relative to the driving axle but somhow forgot to put it in this etch. 11 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Michael Edge Posted November 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2019 The 7mm Stanier 3P is now finished, all ready to hand over to Ian Rathbone next week. I'll get some better photos outside if the weather ever improves. Meanwhile other jobs have been progressing, this a 4mm NER Bo+Bo electric. Platform, body and two power bogies. Close up of power bogie, this kit was designed around the now almost unavailable Black Beetle but it does include these etches to assemble unpowered bogies. A Mitsumi motor is a good fit in this with two sets of plastic worm gears, the motor is simply soldered in place. They have been completely reliable so far and replacement would involve total dismantling of the completed bogie anyway so why bother with screw fitting. The pivot plates on the platform top need to be packed up a bit but this isn't difficult. The brakes are modelled completely even though not much of them is visible behind the outer frames. the Mitsumi motor doesn't help here, the inner wires can't be threaded right through as the instructions suggest, they are left long to thread the outer frames on. All the hangers are different and the bogies are marked I and O (inner/outer) for identification. Recently I resurrected a very old project of my own, an LMS Compound 4-4-0. This was started so long ago I can't remember when but the driving wheels are from Kean-Maygib if that gives a clue. Basic body and frames were started in steel, some etches done more recently have been used for the cab sides, n/s firebox and brass boiler as usual. Coupling rods made from steel, jig drilled from the frames - a long time since I've done this but etching wasn't an option. The connecting rods and crossheads will be etched though. From underneath showing my usual compensation system, beams between the leading driving axle and the bogie pivot. Some updating has been done, in place of the intended motor and gears a Mabuchi motor on a High Level Roadrunner+ gearbox has been used, all hidden in the firebox. Incidentally this will be 40936, coupled to the experimental high sided tender (part of the development of the Stanier tender). This was long time resident at Trafford Park so suitable for Herculaneum and Chapel en le Frith. Link to a photo of this loco at Millhouses in the early 1950s here. https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p871468372/h8AE7341#h8ae7341 18 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The electric, is that one of your kits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2019 Yes it is, much easier building one's own designs! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It looks commendably straightforward. What, two sides with overlays, with the the cabs & hoods being a single piece each end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Hi Michael, The Stanier 3P looks very nice. Will it be available as a kit on your range, or is it a one off just for yourself? Cheers, Peter Edited November 15, 2019 by PAD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 14 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: It looks commendably straightforward. What, two sides with overlays, with the the cabs & hoods being a single piece each end? The NER electrics are quite straightforward, no difficult forming needed but the pantographs on this one are a bit more complicated - see next week's instalments. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 11 hours ago, PAD said: Hi Michael, The Stanier 3P looks very nice. Will it be available as a kit on your range, or is it a one off just for yourself? Cheers, Peter The 7mm version is a one-off at the moment but it has thrown up a large number of errors and corrections for the 4mm version which is a priority for production. The 7mm one is spread across more than one sheet so not really possible to run it again in its present form. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Thanks Michael. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lyonesse Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I have a long time aim to build a 4mm LMS compound, in memory of my father who travelled behind them a lot pre-war, so I'd be interested in the kit if it ever appeared. I have a 2P 4-4-0, based on the Gibson kit (again, one of Dad's familiars). The hardest part with the 2P is to model the cutout in the boiler lagging for the reversing rod. Most kits pretend it isn't there, but I think it adds to the character. As far as I can see, the cutout wasn't there on the Compound --- Midland or LMS version. I also need a Jubilee, and I have one of the Korean brass ones, purchased on ebay. It's surprisingly crude, but that, as they say, is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 This isn't a kit, it's mostly cut from sheet although some of the parts were etched. Most of the unique tender will be etched. The compounds didn't have the reach rod recessed into the boiler cladding. Is the Jubilee one of the gold plated ones? I have no. 063 somewhere, never could decide what to do with it - it's an accurate and well detailed model but the wheels/motor etc. are rather poor by model standards and I think Larry Goddard said they were pig to paint. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted November 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Edge said: This isn't a kit, it's mostly cut from sheet although some of the parts were etched. Most of the unique tender will be etched. The compounds didn't have the reach rod recessed into the boiler cladding. Is the Jubilee one of the gold plated ones? I have no. 063 somewhere, never could decide what to do with it - it's an accurate and well detailed model but the wheels/motor etc. are rather poor by model standards and I think Larry Goddard said they were pig to paint. If you do the sides for the tender, if you have any spares, please could I buy one ? BTW are you at Warley this year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 Only one set on order at the moment, we might have it next week in which case I'll bring it to Warley. I'll be doing the demo on stand A76, I can bring kits to order but only if they are paid for in advance. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lyonesse Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Edge said: This isn't a kit, it's mostly cut from sheet although some of the parts were etched. Most of the unique tender will be etched. The compounds didn't have the reach rod recessed into the boiler cladding. Is the Jubilee one of the gold plated ones? I have no. 063 somewhere, never could decide what to do with it - it's an accurate and well detailed model but the wheels/motor etc. are rather poor by model standards and I think Larry Goddard said they were pig to paint. Yes, it's gold plated. I'd bought a spare tender before the Jubilee. That was gold painted. When I stripped off the gold paint I found the brass was gold plated. Explain that! As you say, they're quite detailed. The handrails are very chunky and rather spoil thinks. Presumably chosen in the interest of robustness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 Don't forget these Jubilees are from the late 1970s, they looked very good at the time. There were also some 5MTs and at least one 8F, all using the same tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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