royaloak Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, jim.snowdon said: What matters more is that the new operators don't screw up staff morale. Jim Yeah South Western Railways has been riding high in the morale stakes since Farce Group took over havent they! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 20:33, royaloak said: Yeah South Western Railways has been riding high in the morale stakes since Farce Group took over havent they! Although on the flip side, I don't believe that a DfT encouraged move to DOO is on the agenda for the InterCity West Coast franchise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: Although on the flip side, I don't believe that a DfT encouraged move to DOO is on the agenda for the InterCity West Coast franchise. It wasnt when the SWT franchise came up for bidding but First Group offered it. But as you state it is not mentioned anywhere in the WC franchise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) On 28/11/2019 at 06:29, Sir TophamHatt said: Very similar colours to London Northwestern Railway, no? It’s good to see they’ll be spending money swapping the handing of the wipers and replacing the coupler doors... oh, and on a more technical note, modifying the pantographs to run leading one up Edited December 1, 2019 by Talltim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 14:30, melmerby said: Time to join "Perfect Curve" Joyous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2019 Personally I'm not sure that GWR green, or some slight variation thereof, really works well on modern trains, it just looks too dull. Seems to work ok on water boiling machines, with copper and brass work to set it off, but I'm not sure about modern, flush glazed, plastic finish trains. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 01/12/2019 at 19:27, Talltim said: It’s good to see they’ll be spending money swapping the handing of the wipers and replacing the coupler doors... oh, and on a more technical note, modifying the pantographs to run leading one up Also running "Wrong line"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 14/08/2019 at 18:00, Ron Ron Ron said: Eliminating diesel operation on the electrified sections of the route is expected to reduce CO2 emissions by 61%. . 61% of what? Pollution measured where? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, rodent279 said: 61% of what? Pollution measured where? Presumably 61% of what it currently is. And also presumably they are comparing the output of the Voyagers with that produced by the extra power requirements on the National Grid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 01/12/2019 at 19:27, Talltim said: It’s good to see they’ll be spending money swapping the handing of the wipers and replacing the coupler doors... oh, and on a more technical note, modifying the pantographs to run leading one up And restringing thousands of route miles to remove the droop on the catenary support wire... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 hours ago, 298 said: And restringing thousands of route miles to remove the droop on the catenary support wire... Why do pantographs need to be modified to run leading pan up? Surely the driver just raises the leading pan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, rodent279 said: Why do pantographs need to be modified to run leading pan up? Surely the driver just raises the leading pan? The airflow around and the dynamics of the pan on a Pendo dictate that it's better to run with the rear pan up. Plus with overhead electrics if the front pan gets damaged and falls backwards then you've lost both means of pickup, and chances are the front one will be past any damage should something catastrophic happen so it could still be used. Network rail had issues a few years ago with ice on the wires damaging the carbon strips so there were pendolinos running with the front pan up, which caused further dewirements. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 hours ago, 298 said: The airflow around and the dynamics of the pan on a Pendo dictate that it's better to run with the rear pan up. Plus with overhead electrics if the front pan gets damaged and falls backwards then you've lost both means of pickup, and chances are the front one will be past any damage should something catastrophic happen so it could still be used. Network rail had issues a few years ago with ice on the wires damaging the carbon strips so there were pendolinos running with the front pan up, which caused further dewirements. Yet, policy with the 8xx is to run with the leading pan raised, and unlike the Pendolinos, the pantograph is much nearer the front of the train, not three cars back where the airflow will have started to stabilise. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2019 Avanti West Coast branding has appeared in abundance at Birmingham New Street (mainly on pillars and walls) but not yet the ticket office or other Virgin branded items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Yet more Hitachi coming... I wonder if these will eventually replace the Pendolinos. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 At the moment, I would see that as being replacement simply for the sake of replacement. Mechanically, the Pendolinos should have at least a decade of life left in them. The situation may be different with the power electronics, but re-engineering that with more up to date components is not the world's most difficult job. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted December 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, jim.snowdon said: At the moment, I would see that as being replacement simply for the sake of replacement. Mechanically, the Pendolinos should have at least a decade of life left in them. The situation may be different with the power electronics, but re-engineering that with more up to date components is not the world's most difficult job. Jim If you ordered new now, most of that decade would be gone before they arrive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 HS2 is the Pendolino replacement plan - with a possibility that they of course will be Hitachi trains. I thought they were buying a few more Pendolino derivatives for the additional electric trains, the bi-mode trains will be the interesting items, off the shelf it would be IEP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Any new trains would have to tilt would they not ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class26 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, lmsforever said: Any new trains would have to tilt would they not ? No, they would not. Trans Pennine will operate their new Nova trains up to 125 mph without tilt on the northern half of the WCML any time now and Network Rail are actively investigating raising speeds to 125 mph without tilt in readiness for HS2 to avoid trains coming off HS2 being restricted to 110 mph. Edited December 6, 2019 by class26 additional info 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Pretty sure (from news items and forum comments elsewhere) that the new order of Hitachis for Avanti are only to replace the Voyagers on the west coast route - hence the bi-modes for Holyhead etc. The Pendolinos are staying put. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 In the news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50684425 Didn't occur to me until I read this that First now have an almost monopoly on services North of Preston if you are going to Scotland. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 From a user perspective, I think Virgin will be a hard act to follow. To me, they seem to do the right things right, and keep their troops cheerful and well-motivated. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroal05 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 The Avanti press release: https://share.theappbuilder.com/qib7vv1671 The bi-modes should be to replace the Voyagers - although the diagrams will be interesting to see as there are 20 Voyagers with usually 18 or 19 diagrammed and there are only 13 bi-modes being ordered - and the electric only are to supplement the increase in the Liverpool services. I suppose some of those all electric units could free up Pendos to cover some of the diagrams Voyagers currently work on all electrified routes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJack47790 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 14/08/2019 at 07:57, black and decker boy said: 23 new units, 13 bi-,mode and 10 EMU. Will they be the same product (eg Hitachi class 80x) or will they need tilt? I don't know but, they shouldn't need to as they are due to work the more straighter parts of the WCML. London Euston - Birmingham New street London Euston - Holyhead via Chester London Euston- Liverpool Lime street / Blackpool north 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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