rogerSDJR Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 At Templecombe in the Mid 60's there was an engineering coach but I cannot identify it, I do think it could be an Ex GWR Collett! Can anyone help as I would like to make a model of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) DW 150302 was ex Collett SK 5153. Converted in November 1963 to a BTU Staff coach for Laira. Condemned in April 1981. Edited August 16, 2019 by Penrhos1920 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) BTU = Breakdown Train unit 5153 was a C54 bow-ended, flush side corridor third built in 1929/30. If you want to model it in 4mm you’re in luck as it’s in the current Hornby range. Edited August 16, 2019 by Penrhos1920 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerSDJR Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Thank you for this information. If it was converted for use at Laira in '63 how come soon after in '65 it was at Templecombe? Where was it allocated to after the closure of the S&D in March 1966? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The line was transferred to the WR at approx the same time the line to Weymouth went to the SR, probably about 1963. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerSDJR Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 I believe that 5143 was built as a TK, possible later reclassified as a SK. [DW 150302 BTU] I'm certainly very interested of any books or web sites on Ex GWR Engineers coaches etc which might have any more information. What is of interest, another Collett TK coach 5043 [Lot 1383 Dia C54 built 1928 at Swindon] was converted to a BTU staff coach also 1963 (ADW 150301) preceeding number! This coach according to 'RCTS Scedule of Preserved Coaches, GWR design coaching stock {up dated 19-7-2013} was stored at the Severn Valley Railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 16 hours ago, rogerSDJR said: What is of interest, another Collett TK coach 5043 [Lot 1383 Dia C54 built 1928 at Swindon] was converted to a BTU staff coach also 1963 (ADW 150301) preceeding number! This coach according to 'RCTS Scedule of Preserved Coaches, GWR design coaching stock {up dated 19-7-2013} was stored at the Severn Valley Railway. This is a little more up to date : http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=202 ......... 150302 doesn't seem to have survived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 20:58, Penrhos1920 said: BTU = Breakdown Train unit 5153 was a C54 bow-ended, flush side corridor third built in 1929/30. If you want to model it in 4mm you’re in luck as it’s in the current Hornby range. Interest piqued. Being a tad ignorant in matters GWR, what is the Hornby reference number for this coach please? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Interest piqued. Being a tad ignorant in matters GWR, what is the Hornby reference number for this coach please? Mike. R4758 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerSDJR Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 From what I can make out it was R4763 Collett BR EX GWR 3RD Class Corridor in BR Maroon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I think that whether you use the Hornby coach with the GWR or BR version paint scheme, you will still need to repaint it to Eng Dept red (see here: ). Looks like you will also have to do some carving and filling of the windows on the non-corridor side (no idea what the other side might have had done) as one pair of windows appear to have been made into one and at least one door plus several windows has been blanked out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 23:25, rogerSDJR said: Thank you for this information. If it was converted for use at Laira in '63 how come soon after in '65 it was at Templecombe? Where was it allocated to after the closure of the S&D in March 1966? Laira closed in (April?) 1964. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2019 1. Judging by the running number, its colour, and the location where it was photographed it definitely isn't an engineers' (in the normal railway understanding of the term) vehicle. It is painted in breakdown train colouring and it has an RM running number indicating that it is a Running and Maintenance Dept vehicle. This immediately indicates to me that it was in breakdown train use (as already noted by 'Penrhos') as either a riding van or a combined riding and tool van. 2. It may well have been converted (at Laira) for use at Templecombe as the Regional boundary transfer took place on 1 january 1963 and both locations were later in the same R&M Divisional organisation. it probably replaced an ex S&DJtR or SR vehicle at Templecombe shed when the new owners decided a replacement was needed or the previous owner spirited away a vehicle they wanted to keep. 3. Laira depot did not close in 1964 - in fact it is still open today. The steam shed was - according to one usually reliable online railway source - closed in 1965. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerSDJR Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 From what I have so far gleaned from various sources, including '2857'org.uk who converted DW 150301 [photo by MJ Imber], the sister coach to DW 150302 is as attached. However I'm yet to work out what the compartment side look like, but I hoping someone might have some information The colour of the coach was Signal Red. This coach replace an Ex LSWR 56' Lav Brake 3rd. SR Dia 125 in 1965. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) I beleave this to be DW150302 attached to the Laira crane at Burngullow in Cornwall on May 1, 1977 attending an engineers steam crane which had toppled over. Edited September 23, 2020 by bubbles2 add text. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) and DW150302 at Laira, but it still seems shy about showing its compartment side. From Fred Caster on Flickr. Edited September 23, 2020 by bubbles2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) DW150285 at Laira in 1969 looks to be very similar. https://flic.kr/p/2iik57v Edited February 6, 2021 by bubbles2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerSDJR Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 Thank you. Yes it looks very similar. I also like your previous photos. It has inspired me to finish the model that I started sometime ago. Regards Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just seen this thread, I tried to raise the money to buy one many years ago, managed £20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 06/02/2021 at 02:03, bubbles2 said: DW150285 at Laira in 1969 looks to be very similar. https://flic.kr/p/2iik57v That is a brake end carriage, possibly newer as looks flat ended, will look it up later, got a Platform 5 book somewhere 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 It doesn't have flush glazing, so if it is flat ended it may be earlier rather than later. Before the time the next design of flat ended stock arrived (1933/4) the glazing was only set in by the thickness of the outer steel panel rather than the inch or so visible there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2021 Not in the book, so may be a similar aged carriage, may be a D95, not sure what was prior to the bow ended stock. I only really studied preserved stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Around the time the 'bow ended' stock was introduced there were also non-bow ended versions too as they moved on from the 'Toplight' designs. Indeed some late 'Toplights' didn't have toplights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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