RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Ravenser said: We are firmly into "gilet jaune" territory now... That's the French reaction to this kind of urban hipster agenda The interesting thing is that we only sW the yelliw jackets in towns and cities. The farmers round here just got on with the job. Most of the local ones I saw were obviously of retirement age. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) Oh, ok. I’ve spent much of the past two decades working in the FSU. I’ve seen countries resurrect themselves from the economic collapse of the 1990s. It doesn’t look anything like that, it goes “retain control, retain profits, retain value. Don’t sell assets to foreign interests. Make best use of expats then make sure they all leave. Train local nationals and give them priority”. I’ve seen Norway develop Statoil into a world class operation. I’ve seen Dutch and Italian companies transform themselves using oil and renewables profits. It goes “make sure profits get spent on improving performance. Get, or train top class technical and operational people and back them all the way. Restrict and prevent corporate raiding so that companies can plan for the future with confidence. Make sure WE get the contracts.” I’ve seen German, French and Spanish companies tie up revenue streams from power generation forcdecades to come. THAT’S a strategy... Edited August 29, 2019 by rockershovel 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted August 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2019 Well, it's obvious then, buy shares in German etc renewable companies. Might be wise to check their financial performance and share price history first though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Not Captain Kernow Posted August 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 hours ago, rockershovel said: DLR is hardly a mass transit system Not sure what your definition of a mass transit system is, but something with 121 million passenger journeys a year sounds pretty mass to me... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, rockershovel said: Oh, ok. I’ve spent much of the past two decades working in the FSU. I’ve seen countries resurrect themselves from the economic collapse of the 1990s. It doesn’t look anything like that, it goes “retain control, retain profits, retain value. Don’t sell assets to foreign interests. Make best use of expats then make sure they all leave. Train local nationals and give them priority”. I’ve seen Norway develop Statoil into a world class operation. I’ve seen Dutch and Italian companies transform themselves using oil and renewables profits. It goes “make sure profits get spent on improving performance. Get, or train top class technical and operational people and back them all the way. Restrict and prevent corporate raiding so that companies can plan for the future with confidence. Make sure WE get the contracts.” I’ve seen German, French and Spanish companies tie up revenue streams from power generation forcdecades to come. THAT’S a strategy... Yep! I've seen much the same sort of thing with Spain, Portugal and various other places since the 1970s, being members of the EU certainly helped them. It seems to be that the above named countries chose a certain amount of "protectionism" while ever since 1979, Britain chose the "free market" - and look at what happened to us! Politics aside, maybe "we" have finally chosen to follow a path of investment, like these named countries? Is that not a good thing? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Thinking about this HST2 Review I got to Googling things American and came across a whole lot of stuff that set me wondering about ulteria motives So I googled directly "are Republicans anti train?" with a string of links - of which prominent was: Why do conservatives hate trains so much? We also know the Prime Minister says he makes buses as a hobby ... dh PS I came across US 'Positive Train Control' based upon GPS; do we have it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, runs as required said: I came across US 'Positive Train Control' based upon GPS; do we have it? No: EU countries are required to use ETCS, which does the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Allegheny1600 said: Yep! I've seen much the same sort of thing with Spain, Portugal and various other places since the 1970s, being members of the EU certainly helped them. It seems to be that the above named countries chose a certain amount of "protectionism" while ever since 1979, Britain chose the "free market" - and look at what happened to us! Politics aside, maybe "we" have finally chosen to follow a path of investment, like these named countries? Is that not a good thing? It WOULD be a good thing, but “investment” in U.K.-speak, is a Code word for “property speculation”. It’s why we constantly hear about “productivity gap” and “productivity crisis” despite the most radical wage deflation policy of modern times, and the raiding of Eastern European production workers at the resulting wages. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, david.hill64 said: No: EU countries are required to use ETCS, which does the same thing. Thank you for replying about ETCS Perhaps ETCS hasn’t been rolled out quick enough for it doesn’t seem to have protected in some of the EU's worst C21 accidents Santiago di Compostela - Talgo overspeeding derails on curve - 69 fatalities Croydon LRT – Tram overspeeding derails on curve - 7 fatalities Bad Aibling, Bavaria head on collision on single track – 12 fatalities Perpignan train strikes school bus on level crossing – 6 fatalties In Britain there have been many train strikes on partially blocked track and level crossings which could perhaps have been ameliorated by GPS I found this site collating all rail accidents instructive Once out of the EU will we have to decide whether to stay compliant or ... ? dh Edit I forgot to say that the Wiki list (linked to above) of all accidents demonstrated that GPS would not be helpful if there was a defect in the train's mechanical systems - most obviously brake failure. Nor where a blockage had just occurred within the speeding train's ability to brake sufficiently as I think happened on the ECML at Great Heck Edited August 30, 2019 by runs as required additional caveat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 14 hours ago, jjb1970 said: Well, it's obvious then, buy shares in German etc renewable companies. Might be wise to check their financial performance and share price history first though. Well, there you have it. The Germans regard dominating the market as the principal goal, and we don’t. Who gets to tell the EU what to do, and runs the whole EU for their benefit? (Clue... not us...) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, rockershovel said: Well, there you have it. The Germans regard dominating the market as the principal goal, and we don’t. Who gets to tell the EU what to do, and runs the whole EU for their benefit? (Clue... not us...) What total bullsh*t.......(again) 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted August 30, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 hours ago, runs as required said: We also know the Prime Minister says he makes buses as a hobby ... We all know that Prime Minister says he makes buses as a hobby... But then, like all politicians, he says lots of things. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted August 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: We all know that Prime Minister says he makes buses as a hobby... But then, like all politicians, he says lots of things. They didn't really sound like very good buses but I'm sure he thinks they're marvellous. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted August 30, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, AY Mod said: They didn't really sound like very good buses but I'm sure he thinks they're marvellous. I wonder if he faces criticism on the bus version of RMweb for their faults? Anyway, the bring things back to the subject, if we want HS2, then all the review has to do is say "The only recommendation we make is that HS2 is forthwith known as 'Boza Express' " 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted August 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2019 He couldn't look more like Jimmy Saville if he tried. 8 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted August 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2019 My thoughts too. Not a good look. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, AY Mod said: He couldn't look more like Jimmy Saville if he tried. I didn't want to say but that was the same reaction I had, I decided I didn't want to sully the site with that name. "This is the age of the " train, tram, bus, horse cart 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, AY Mod said: He couldn't look more like Jimmy Saville if he tried. I'm surprised the nanny filter didn't censor that name. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 hours ago, runs as required said: Thank you for replying about ETCS Perhaps ETCS hasn’t been rolled out quick enough for it doesn’t seem to have protected in some of the EU's worst C21 accidents ETCS, like PTC, has taken a long time to develop and to get to work reliably (and may not be there yet, I haven't followed things closely). The US has delayed the deadline for PTC many times for example. 3 hours ago, runs as required said: In Britain there have been many train strikes on partially blocked track and level crossings which could perhaps have been ameliorated by GPS GPS isn't a magical solution, whatever signalling system is used still relies on human input if something abnormal happens like a track blockage. If the signaler doesn't know the track is blocked, they can't turn a signal red whether it is a traditional track side signal or an in cab ETCS/PTC. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted August 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, AY Mod said: He couldn't look more like Jimmy Saville if he tried. Now then, now then ..... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) I'm not so sure I'd be so quick to insult our would be dictator in writing... We're all loyal and patriotic here dear leader. Edited August 30, 2019 by brack 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Totally agree with last post it will be long live BR and the RMT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted August 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, melmerby said: I'm surprised the nanny filter didn't censor that name. As it's written by our dear leader what could possibly be wrong with it. Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 hours ago, mdvle said: ETCS, like PTC, has taken a long time to develop and to get to work reliably (and may not be there yet, I haven't followed things closely). ... The US has delayed the deadline for PTC many times for example. ..... GPS isn't a magical solution, whatever signalling system is used still relies on human input if something abnormal happens like a track blockage. If the signaler doesn't know the track is blocked, they can't turn a signal red whether it is a traditional track side signal or an in cab ETCS/PTC. I suppose I have been thinking of the speed with which 'self drive' car technology has developed with GPS embedded. The U tube video I clicked on made the US GPS based product seem like a must-have bolt-on to relieve the Engineer from unfair stress.. But will Brexit bring about regulatory railway compliance issues? GPS for example is US and will be offered like chlorinated chicken as the EU's Galileo is left behind (and we won't have our own up and running for several years) . dh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, admiles said: The Germans regard dominating the market as the principal goal, and we don’t. Who gets to tell the EU what to do, and runs the whole EU for their benefit? (Clue... not us... What total bullsh*t.......(again) The dieselgate issue with VW and other car companies was an example of the under the counter protectionism and "telling everyone what to do" by Germany, by creating an EU-wide taxation system for vehicles skewed consumers to choose diesel cars over petrol tipping the EU 27 market in the direction of German /French cars products to the detriment of Korean/japanese car makers Edited August 30, 2019 by Pandora 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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