RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, JHRL6971 said: One question I do have is how many Innotren salons RhB have? There’s only one 59101 http://www.haribu.ch/RhB_Roma/A.pdf It’s a private charter coach so I guess it was tagged on trains to move as required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 Only one Innotren saloon I think. Luckily we can tie this down, it moved on the back of a train to Chur, and must then have connected on to Landquart, here it is at Filisur the same day. https://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/a200822140304365 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 PS, well done for catching 707, that one didn't show up for us the week we were there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHRL6971 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Having also been in Switzerland from 20th-23rd August, I have found this thread all very interesting. One question I do have is how many Innotren salons RhB have? Certainly in the post of 14th September above there is apparently one of them on the rear of a Disentis/M-Scoul/T train hauled by Ge4/4 II 632 - and apparently taken in the afternoon on Saturday 22nd August. I ask as I saw one together with a stabled Ge6/6 II 707 at Samedan around 11:45 on the same day. We had arrived at Samedan from Filsur where we'd taken the first Crocodile trip of the day. If there is only one Innotren salon - any ideas what its moves where that day? "6971" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHRL6971 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Ok so only one saloon and it must have worked from Samedan at 13:16 on ID1144 (13:02 St Moritz-Chur) as far as Chur where it arrived at 15:04 and was then shunted onto RE1744 (15:21 ex Chur) to be seen at Landquart at 15:50. Wonderful thing the internet! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB FAN Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Is that Innotren car something new? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, MOB FAN said: Is that Innotren car something new? Yes, it’s a mobile meeting car they’ve introduced. You can hire it here https://www.rhb.ch/en/leisure-travel-and-excursions/groups-schools/charter-carriages/innotren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Last bit of the 26th - the 15.45 off Samedan towards Landquart, taken as far as Klosters Platz - more new trackage for me to knock off. At Zernez, 23403 which we'd seen earlier fails at hide-and-seek - Zernez looks to have been a major ballast loading point at this time. Tmf2/2 85 was busy shunting flats for Coop traffic. Through the Vereina tunnel, the cab car of one of the shuttle trains in the brief bit of daylight for the Selfranga car shuttle terminal. Klosters platz is being rebuilt at present with the island platform being extended virtually up to the river bridge, so the station is a bit chaotic. We'd gone this way to put ourselves in front of the Davos Platz to Landquart daily freight, and as I wasn't sure how the station shot would work out (especially when we didn't know how it would be routed through the station) I went for a walk outside... 3112 waits with the Davos Platz shuttle From the original river bridge, (now a road bridge,) here's the current rail bridge, it's got a bit of a Thunderbirds vibe going on... I walked down the path beside the line to find somewhere to shoot the freight - before that the hourly busy spell with two pairs of trains in each direction on the double track North of the station - the Scuol-Disentis snuck up on me whilst shooting 3513 coming the other way, but here's the rest: 3513 on a Landquart-Davos Platz NEVA cab car 1757 leads the Davos Platz to Landquart opposite number "Large logo" 647 rounds the curve with a Disentis to Scuol service Soon enough the freight appears, 705 comes down the hill with a single wagon - the Spar container from earlier. Back at the station, 633 arrives with the next St Moritz to Landquart, interestingly hauling a push pull set. And 3117 comes in with our connection back to Davos Platz Stabled at Davos Dorf today, Xmf 2/2 9921 That's it for Weds 26th - more photo's here: https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Daybyday/2020/2020-08-26-MonsteinWiesenSamedanKlosters-Platz/ 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2020 Some nice angles there How are the Capricorn’s to ride, same as the Allegra? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted September 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2020 Thank you so much for posting these pictures; I love that part of Switzerland, and the RhB. I've had holidays in Davos for the past three years and would have been there again this August but for the pandemic. Last August I got a few shots of the "Innotren" car at Davos Platz and Filisur. Bear in mind that it has mirror glass windows! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Some nice angles there How are the Capricorn’s to ride, same as the Allegra? Similar, maybe a little quieter and nippier but I'm aware that's subjective and they are also brand new so are at their best! *One 2nd class driving car so a forward view in 2nd class ought to be possible depending on direction, which you don't get on the 8/12 Allegra. *Occasional FFCCTV shown on the internal monitors is nice too, but you no sooner start watching it and it cuts away to an advert or somesuch. *Very similar in terms of fit and finish, right down to provision of alternate opening windows. *Excellent level boarding from any new platforms, impressive (way ahead of the UK) - can't recall whether the Allegra also had this too - I know they have low floor sections but I don't recall how level the low floor section was. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 I'll do this one out of order, we caught up with the Innotren saloon again on the Friday, it seems to spend time parked on the Arosa side at Chur when not being used or maintained. Here's a self portrait of Jon and I in the mirror glass. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 Mini-update...so, Thursday 27th, set to be another nice day, with the Friday forecast to have rain coming in. The only bits of the RhB i've not got to yet are Tirano, Scuol-Tarasp, and Arosa. So my plan for the day was to get to Tirano as early as possible, to get Scuol knocked off on the return. Jon was still trying to minimise risk of quarantine by excluding Italy, so he planned to do a walk near Ospizio Bernina and started later than me, we had a vague idea we'd meet up but nothing definate, and in the end we didn't. Trains towards Klosters start much earlier than the Filisur direction, so a 5am alarm call saw me walking to the station for the 6am departure, with 632 on a Disentis bound train, as the sky started to get a little lighter. Meeting another train at a moody Davos Laret Changing at Klosters Platz, 633 on a Scuol-Tarasp bound train... Bit of a crappy photo, but 649 was on the Vereina tunnel shuttles every time we passed, so this is the best one I got of it. Changing at Sagliains for the Pontresina service, just as the sun cleared the mountain. 619 was my power on to Pontresina, this surprised me by coming in from the West and terminating here - lots of odd moves this early in the morning! Ready for my close-up.... Zernez - 85 still shunting Coop flats! And into Pontresina just before 8am for my connection to Tirano... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2020 Super, just wasted the morning on the smugmug albums! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 I've got the wagons and loco's collections split out to somewhere close to where I want them - I still need to do the same kind of split-by-type for RhB coaching stock, I think there's more I can do on the wagons (currently the X ones are just chucked in one place) - and will split identifiable locations out similarly when I get time. I've some bits still to upload, but it's getting there! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Whilst shooting 619, 3514 arrived with my train for Tirano (don't fret, this one is timed for an 11 minute stop so I've time to catch it) - I'd also noted that the shunter was sat up on the lead with 2 log flats and 2 Coop wagons.... The St Moritz bound service was already in, they had just uncoupled a flat and a Coop load from the back of the allegra... I walked up the adjacent platform expecting to be able to shoot the shunter adding the wagons to the back of my train.....and then my train (with passengers already on) backed out of the station to go and pick them up instead! Oh well, the surprise let me do another "arrival" shot for this one! One of the Coop wagons stayed on the shunter to be taken by the following train, so we had 3 coaches and 3 wagons behind our Allegra to go south...and after a second station stop it departed on time! At Stablini, below Alp Grüm we pass Bernina railcar 54 leading a train uphill At the new passing loop just north of Poschiavo, 53 and 51 with a decent load 7 start climbing the grade on the following train... At Poschiavo, shunter 151 was positioned ready to remove the Coop load from the back - the logs stayed on to Tirano. 23201 on shed Time to take it to the streets... Best station bench award? At Bruscio we met 3502 heading North, seen here climbing away... And at Campocologno we meet the Northbound morning Bernina Express to St Moritz, 52 and 55 complete the set! Into Tirano, and shunter 162 moves the 2 log flats to the adjacent siding, before pulling the 3 coaches off and putting them on the other platform for the next departure. Tractor 22 moves the log flats round in the unelectrified sidings here. And finally, before going off to find some ice cream here's a bit of Italian freight - 652 132 waits in the standard gauge station next door with a mix of vans. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Whilst Martyn was up nice and early for his trip to Italy, I wasn't. I had always planned to have a bit longer in bed, but then managed an additional unplanned lie-in that meant missing the hourly train... I didn't want to go to Italy just to limit the number of countries that might cause me to get quarantined, alas Switzerland was still added to the list on the Thursday. However I did have a plan, about 15 years ago I did an ADL tour led by Richard Pegler, and one of the days we had walked down from Ospizio Bernina to Lagalp, photographing on the way down, and I recalled that it was a pretty easy path, almost all downhill, and all above the treeline, which was very welcome as I was having a huge hayfever reaction to something growing lower down! At Pontresina the shunter was again waiting to add a tail load to the train. Probably my favourite section is up at the lake end just outside Ospizio, so not surprisingly I photographed several trains here the dam between the lakes proudly proclaims itself at the watershed. I'd probably only got a kilometre, when I got a text from Martyn asking if I was going to join him on his train - no, I've not made much progress so far - this I think is his train descending. Not on the train plan, so catching me by surprise was the pair of historic yellow motor coaches, I was between locations, so I got a few average broadsides... but was a bit far from the iron bridge to do it justice In the photo above the easy walking path is to the left, and the wiggly path in the foreground is a section for the more adventurous mountain biker, one of whom can to grief whist I was watching. By the time I got down to the metal bridge my late departure started to show, the sun had moved around a bit far. I was also starting to become conscious of the time, and how far from Lagalp I still was. So I wasn't really in the right place for either of the Bernina expresses. Jon Edited October 1, 2020 by jonhall 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, jonhall said: By the time I got down to the metal bridge my late departure started to show, the sun had moved around a bit far Are you sure those pics haven't got printed backscenes? They look so perfect. That's Switzerland I suppose. I really enjoy lineside-ish walks like that, but my plans for a walk from Ospizio Bernina were stymied a few years back by a dodgy stomach in Tirano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, jonhall said: but was a bit far from the iron bridge to do it justice Oh I don’t think so The train dwarfed by scenery still works when it’s bright yellow! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 and irritatingly I've noticed a dust spot on the sensor shows in all the images, when I took it last weekend to SRS at Watford, they discovered its between the sensor and its protective glass and so can't be cleaned off - their opinion was at least it will always be in the same place so you can photoshop it out, (and since I hadn't noticed since this time last year do I really care) but now I know its there I fear a new camera will be the only way to rid myself of the problem. Jon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 20 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Oh I don’t think so The train dwarfed by scenery still works when it’s bright yellow! Agreed - it might not have been the angle you'd have chosen but that's a pretty striking image - shows off the crazy gradient there as well! Sadly by the time I'd read your text I had already changed at Pontresina - they must have come out of the sheds at Poschiavo after we'd been through as I didn't see them. Fabulous set of pics Jon! - And yes I think that was my train - I'd bagged the very back corner of the rear open coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 So a very brief set from the run back over the Bernina - there's more on the website and I still have some to upload I think... Back to the station for the 11.41 departure - the tractor has had two new log flats delivered whilst I've been out... A heavy application of sun cream and I opt for the open coaches - time for a silly selfie from the back of the coach reflected in the station windows. Our first meet is a BEX (ex St Moritz) at Campocologno And the regular service train at Bruscio - the guy walking up on the right had got off the front door of the Allegra hoping to connect to our train but we were already moving by the time his door opened... On the street running section through Le Prese And meeting the second southbound BEX (ex Chur) at the loop at Cantoniera, just north of Le Prese We meet the opposing train at the loop south of Poschiavo (Pradei) rather than North this time 151 and the Coop vans at Poschiavo Climbing, climbing, climbing... And we meet 51 at Stablini A view through the Ozpicio Bernina snowshed... And just after Jon shot us - downhill towards Lagalp Back at Pontresina - the St Moritz-Tirano and Scuol-Pontresina arrive in parallel. And I'm reunited with 619 for my next leg - 3511 adjacent was our power up from Tirano 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) So as I'm back in Pontresina at 2ish, I easily have time to knock Scuol off my to-do list, so I stay on 619s train right through to Scuol this time... 702 had just arrived at Samedan with a freight Some grabs of Bever - only one track was in use here, and a new island platform was taking shape with a very meccano-like vibe - check out the rivets on those canopies - just being retro, or are they reusing an original from somewhere? 114 was on a work train... At Scuol, 619 departs back towards Pontresina from the bay - 111 was the Ilanz shunter last year and I'm glad to say has had a repaint since! I connect to 633 in the main platform with the Disentis departure, heading for Klosters Platz to change for Davos 620 at Sagliains - I must have hopped off and back on quickly to grab this! Departing Klosters, the next Scuol service climbs between Klosters Dorf and Platz on the other side of the valley... We pass Pendelzug 511 at Laret And the daily freight at Davos Dorf behind 652, double the length today compared to yesterday! Back to Davos Platz in time to shoot them putting the Heritage set away for the night - yum! With Jon still more than an hour away, I walked a little to the west. I'd scouted (via google) some nearby places to our accommodation to shoot when I'd booked it - my experience is that with a family holiday just disappearing for 10 mins to get a couple of shots is easy whereas spending a whole day shooting stuff isn't - but as it ended up being heavier railfanning I hadn't done much locally, so time to put the locations to use. 651 shoves into Davos Platz from Filisur 3510 returns a couple of minutes later towards Filisur With about 50 mins to kill I went private siding spotting - here's the waste transfer station for Davos (I take you to all the best places...!) The sun has dropped behind the mount as 3510 pushes back from Filisur - Hiya Jon! And that's the end of the 27th - pics here, but be aware not all are uploaded from this day yet, lots of infra ones included today if that's useful: https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Daybyday/2020/2020-08-27-Davos-to-Tirano-and-Scuol-Tarasp/ Edited October 2, 2020 by Glorious NSE 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, Glorious NSE said: check out the rivets on those canopies - just being retro, or are they reusing an original from somewhere? I was surprised by that as it’s all modern concrete elsewhere and as it never had it before it can’t be a preservation order?!? I’ll ask around and see. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, PaulRhB said: I was surprised by that as it’s all modern concrete elsewhere and as it never had it before it can’t be a preservation order?!? I’ll ask around and see. If it is modern it's really unusual to see it constructed of riveted angles and plates, albeit 'prefab', it did pique our interest earlier in the week which is why I shot a few pics of it. You can see the holes to presumably bolt in the longitudinal beams here on the one behind. Edited October 2, 2020 by Glorious NSE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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