black and decker boy Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Anything orange & black and AC but in 00 would get my cash. Sadly N is too small for my liking. my fingers remain crossed that something will emerge once RevolutionN have brought their wonderful N models to the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Has this become a wants/wish list? N class 128s and OO ACs mentioned despite being headed as N 313/314. If so, anything SR/BR(S) 3rd rail EMU in N for me (an EPB would be great). Sadly OO is too large for my liking. ;-) Edited February 14, 2021 by grahame 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2021 Couple of CAD images captured from the live stream. looking fantastic, and a Southern one will be on the cards for me I think! Tom 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2021 Oh well, better hang up my vinyls then :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Captain Electra said: Oh well, better hang up my vinyls then :-) Don't worry there's still quite a lot of variations that we're not going to be able to offer! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marke Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 The CADs look delicious! I am banking on an original blue/grey version making the final list of variants. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) The proposed liveries are as follows: Tom. Edited February 23, 2021 by TomE 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2021 For clarity, the livery choices we are offering are confirmed and they are as follows: 313: Blue/Grey; NSE; Silverlink: with Silverlink Metro branding or London Underground; Dynamic Lines: with FCC or Great Northern branding; Southern 314: Scotrail Saltire; Strathclyde Orange (SPT Carmine & Cream crept in where it shouldn't have) We're also discussing a couple of other versions with retailers: NR yellow and the heritage Blue/Grey (with the grey doors). Cheers Mike 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, TomE said: Couple of CAD images captured from the live stream. looking fantastic, and a Southern one will be on the cards for me I think! Tom That looks pretty good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Hallo, Are the GG TransClyde available from any of the decal/transfer manufacturers? If so which one? Thinking of a conversion of the BlueGrey 313. Thanks for any Info es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2021 Will the 314 tooling reflect the differences below the waistline and the extra window on the PTS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb4141 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 11 hours ago, TomE said: The proposed liveries are as follows: Tom. Very interested in the class 314, but very surprised that you aren’t offering this in Blue & Grey or the Carmine & Cream liveries as these were a lot longer lived than the Saltire livery that was only applied to a handful of sets? Is there no way you can put these on the ordering list when you open it and see if you get enough orders? Failing that, it would make sense for these liveries being exclusive retailer options, as these were a lot more mainstream than the 313 Heritage Blue & Grey or Network Yellow liveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2021 oh these look good Come on guys , stop teasing , after your Class 93 in 4mm , you know you want to make these in 4mm too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted February 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, nickb4141 said: Very interested in the class 314, but very surprised that you aren’t offering this in Blue & Grey I only just discovered recently that the 314 was delivered in TransClyde branded blue-grey.... hard to pin down how long that livery lasted from photos, as I can only find about a dozen images on the whole of the internet.... but, based on information I have read, it was superseded by SPT orange-black by early 80s, circa ‘83, so only lasted four or five years. I presume it is a standard blue-grey application just with the TransClyde branding - perhaps a possible retailer special....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Padishar Creel said: Hallo, Are the GG TransClyde available from any of the decal/transfer manufacturers? If so which one? Thinking of a conversion of the BlueGrey 313. Thanks for any Info es grüßt pc Railtec do GG Trans-Clyde decals in 4mm . I got some for my Class 126 build thats proceeding at glacier like pace . They may do 2mm too as Met Camm class 101s carried them , and these are available in n Edited February 24, 2021 by Legend 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted February 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, Captain Electra said: Will the 314 tooling reflect the differences below the waistline and the extra window on the PTS? Yes and yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2021 10 hours ago, red death said: For clarity, the livery choices we are offering are confirmed and they are as follows: 313: Blue/Grey; NSE; Silverlink: with Silverlink Metro branding or London Underground; Dynamic Lines: with FCC or Great Northern branding; Southern 314: Scotrail Saltire; Strathclyde Orange (SPT Carmine & Cream crept in where it shouldn't have) We're also discussing a couple of other versions with retailers: NR yellow and the heritage Blue/Grey (with the grey doors). Cheers Mike Hello Mike, I'm a bit confused so I've probably missed something, but Ben focused on the Carmine and Cream livery particularly last night when duscussing the 314s and said it was being offered... Is that not now the case? Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb4141 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, scottystitch said: Hello Mike, I'm a bit confused so I've probably missed something, but Ben focused on the Carmine and Cream livery particularly last night when duscussing the 314s and said it was being offered... Is that not now the case? Best Scott. It’s a very strange decision to exclude the Carmine and Cream livery, as it was worn by all of the class from 1997 to when most units were withdrawn in 2019/20, so represents well over half of the units lifespan. I’m hoping these are offered as I won’t be able to justify one with the 20 year timescale of my layout, which would be a real shame as 5he CAD’s look fantastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb4141 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, JR_P said: I only just discovered recently that the 314 was delivered in TransClyde branded blue-grey.... hard to pin down how long that livery lasted from photos, as I can only find about a dozen images on the whole of the internet.... but, based on information I have read, it was superseded by SPT orange-black by early 80s, circa ‘83, so only lasted four or five years. I presume it is a standard blue-grey application just with the TransClyde branding - perhaps a possible retailer special....? All the 314’s were delivered in Blue & Grey livery from new in 1979. The Strathclyde Orange and Black livery was first introduced in 1986, but it would have taken quite a while to repaint all units, so B&G livery would be appropriate if you modelled the 1980’s period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2021 As I said the inclusion of Carmine & Cream was a mistake. We learned from the 320 that offering all 3 liveries just means that all the 3 liveries will struggle to meet MOQs and that Strathclyde Orange was more popular than Carmine & Cream (and that Scotrail Saltire was more popular than both), so we've picked liveries that give the best possible spread of time periods given what I've just said. If we offer Strathclyde Orange and Carmine & Cream there is a significant probability that neither would get produced... Cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Legend said: Railtec do GG Trans-Clyde decals in 4mm . I got some for my Class 126 build thats proceeding at glacier like pace . They may do 2mm too as Met Camm class 101s carried them , and these are available in n Unfortunately not. No idea how much effort is required to shrink to 2mm, probably not worth his while. Thanks for replying es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, red death said: As I said the inclusion of Carmine & Cream was a mistake. We learned from the 320 that offering all 3 liveries just means that all the 3 liveries will struggle to meet MOQs and that Strathclyde Orange was more popular than Carmine & Cream (and that Scotrail Saltire was more popular than both), so we've picked liveries that give the best possible spread of time periods given what I've just said. If we offer Strathclyde Orange and Carmine & Cream there is a significant probability that neither would get produced... Cheers Mike Okay Mike, thanks for the clarification. That's the livery I'd have taken a couple of, so I'll need to have a rethink. Best Scott. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb4141 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, red death said: As I said the inclusion of Carmine & Cream was a mistake. We learned from the 320 that offering all 3 liveries just means that all the 3 liveries will struggle to meet MOQs and that Strathclyde Orange was more popular than Carmine & Cream (and that Scotrail Saltire was more popular than both), so we've picked liveries that give the best possible spread of time periods given what I've just said. If we offer Strathclyde Orange and Carmine & Cream there is a significant probability that neither would get produced... Cheers Mike Totally understand where you’re coming from, but the 314’s are a slightly different case to the 320’s in that the Carmine & Cream livery has been the the most common livery for the last 23 years, so it seems strange to exclude the livery that most wore for the longest period of service. The 320’s were different in that the Saltire livery was applied to the whole class and quite a few years ago, whereas it was only applied to just 6 units of the class 314’s. It’s a little bit like releasing a class 47 and not doing it in BR Blue. Please could you reconsider, as would love a couple of 314’s looking at those CAD’s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmail Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I would be interested in a 00 version if one was produced having spent nearly five years working on them at Watford!!! BR blue/grey and NSE livery 313001- 017 plus I think 021 & 034 for a short while. They covered the Watford - Euston DC services, Richmond - North Woolwich, am & pm peak Watford - Liverpool Street. Based at Bletchley for maintenance and occasional visits to Hornsey for tyre turning. If I remember correctly we also had a Mon- Fri evening parcel service using a 313 from Euston - Milton Keynes (move used to get unit to Bletchley for exams). Prior to DOO operation coming in on the DC lines there was the occasional use of 6 car units in operation. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted February 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2021 Hi all, Re the 314s: Photographic research suggests the Stathclyde livery lasted until Spring 2013, and the Saltire livery came in 2011. So there is no point at which all 314s were Carmine and Cream. I agree the Carmine and Cream livery is attractive, but the reality is the liveries on offer cover the lifespan of the Class in Scotland from 1983 until withdrawal. As Mike said, our experience is that if you offer too much choice in a niche market such as N EMUs, then it tends to 'split the vote' and nothing reaches MoQ. We'd love to do everything everyone wants, but we have to be realistic, and we've seen where over-promising can lead. cheers Ben A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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