Imaginary Locomotives

[AlfaZagato]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But 0-4-2 tender engines were popular in some quarters - perhaps especially among Ayrshiremen - in the 19th century.

Fair.   I personally adore the LB&SC B1 class.   Maybe stability?  Many 19th-century concepts seem to preclude commonly accepted practices.

[ian@stenochs]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But 0-4-2 tender engines were popular in some quarters - perhaps especially among Ayrshiremen - in the 19th century.

Yes the 0-4-2 was popular in Ayrshire but this one spent most of it’s time in Galloway working on the Port Road and Portpatrick branch!  Hence the tender cab.

 

[PenrithBeacon]

2 hours ago, RedGemAlchemist said:

Didn't know about this. Any photos?

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G&KER 'Blackpool'

[RedGemAlchemist]

22 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

G&KER 'Blackpool'

Interesting. As someone who loves unusual tank locos, this definitely piques my interest. Standard gauge, I assume? Not a line I'm actually familiar with.

Edited May 15, 2020 by RedGemAlchemist

[DavidB-AU]

8 hours ago, RedGemAlchemist said:

Interesting. As someone who loves unusual tank locos, this definitely piques my interest. Standard gauge, I assume? Not a line I'm actually familiar with.

 

Yes. It passed into LMS ownership but I can't find any info about disposal.

 

And I found another one!

 

 

Cheers

David

[melmerby]

"LMS Locomotives Vol.2" by Essery and Jenkinson pictures all four absorbed Knott End Railway locos including Blackpool, which became LMS 11680 and was withdrawn in 1927

It was built by Manning Wardle.

It notes that it was one of only 2 standard Gauge 2-6-0Ts in the UK.

[micknich2003]

2 minutes ago, melmerby said:

"LMS Locomotives Vol.2" by Essery and Jenkinson pictures all four absorbed Knott End Railway locos including Blackpool, which became LMS 11680 and was withdrawn in 1927

It was built by Manning Wardle.

It notes that it was one of only 2 standard Gauge 2-6-0Ts in the UK.

What was the other?

 

[melmerby]

3 minutes ago, micknich2003 said:

What was the other?

 

The one pictured above? (WM&CQ Railway)

[micknich2003]

Thanks for your reply, my mistake, I should have looked at ALL the posts.

[Northmoor]

5 hours ago, DavidB-AU said:

 

Yes. It passed into LMS ownership but I can't find any info about disposal.

 

And I found another one!

 

 

Cheers

David

 

"Uses for on old Mainline J72 #94": splice extended boiler and tanks into middle and add a front pony wheel.

 

[sir douglas]

the 0-6-2 for south africa is a Kitson of 1890 "Clara" of the Namaqualand railway and is still there

 

The 2-6-0 under it is from 1879 for Natal government

 

Fowler 2-6-0 for Sudan in 1876

 

1933 for Moreton Mill in Australia

[melmerby]

The Fowler loco for the Sudan has a bit of the look of a Beyer-Peacock/Fowler Met "A" class 4-4-0T.

 

 

The cab is nothing like UK practice though.

Edited May 16, 2020 by melmerby

[The Johnster]

It is, if you rotated it 90 deg., similar to the original LSWR B4 cabs.

[melmerby]

57 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

It is, if you rotated it 90 deg., similar to the original LSWR B4 cabs.

I think it's more of a sun shade than a cab as we would know it.

[PenrithBeacon]

6 hours ago, melmerby said:

The Fowler loco for the Sudan has a bit of the look of a Beyer-Peacock/Fowler Met "A" class 4-4-0T.

 

 

The cab is nothing like UK practice though.

Was it built by Beyer?

[Player of trains]

Either Beyer or Manning Wardle I think, Wardle built locos in a similar style to Beyer for some export machines

[LNWR18901910]

On 23/04/2020 at 10:01, RedGemAlchemist said:

Hmm. It certainly looks the part, though I see what you mean about the wheelbase. Definitely a good start though.

Nice Standard 4MT 2-6-2!

[DavidB-AU]

18 hours ago, sir douglas said:

1933 for Moreton Mill in Australia

 

This loco still exists, looking at bit sad at the moment although now being restored to operation.

 

http://www.australiansteam.com/fowler19930.htm

 

Sister loco from 1928 in much better condition.

 

http://www.australiansteam.com/fowler17881.htm

 

Cheers

David

Edited May 17, 2020 by DavidB-AU

[PenrithBeacon]

10 hours ago, Player of trains said:

Either Beyer or Manning Wardle I think, Wardle built locos in a similar style to Beyer for some export machines

Sharps did too. There is a Sharps NG engine preserved in Indonesia (?) Which looks very much like this.

[RLBH]

On 15/05/2020 at 04:47, AlfaZagato said:

0-6-2 tender takes weight, hence TE off of the drivers onto a dead axle.   Though, if you had a situation with length restrictions, and need for a massive firebox and higher speeds, maybe some potential?

I don't know about 0-6-2s, but there were 0-8-2 and 0-10-2 tender locomotives used in North America for switching purposes. They were generally older 2-x-2s with the leading truck removed to increase weight on the drivers. Presumably the trailing truck was still needed to support a large firebox.

[sir douglas]

the met tank is BP but the 2-6-0 below it is fowler

 

all the private builders (not owned by the railways) built 0-6-2, 2-6-0 and 2-6-2 types for various gauges and for pretty much every country in the world but there were a few for in the uk

Edited May 17, 2020 by sir douglas

[rockershovel]

6 hours ago, RLBH said:

I don't know about 0-6-2s, but there were 0-8-2 and 0-10-2 tender locomotives used in North America for switching purposes. They were generally older 2-x-2s with the leading truck removed to increase weight on the drivers. Presumably the trailing truck was still needed to support a large firebox.

 

Union Pacific built some 0-10-2 to that design;

 

 

 

But THESE are conversions of older freight locos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[melmerby]

3 hours ago, sir douglas said:

the met tank is BP but the 2-6-0 below it is fowler

 

all the private builders (not owned by the railways) built 0-6-2, 2-6-0 and 2-6-2 types for various gauges and for pretty much every country in the world but there were a few for in the uk

The Met's engineer was John Fowler, who is credited with some of the design of the A Class.

He is not the same John Fowler of John Fowler and Sons.

[Player of trains]

On 14/05/2020 at 21:57, 313201 said:

Hi Traintresta

 

If I may ask please, how have you managed to attach the 4 wheel bogie to the loco.

 

I am interested to find out as I have been thinking about a 4-8-0, 4-8-2, 4-10-0 or 4-10-2 using 8F or 9F chassis.

 

If you have any pictures I would be greatful.

Hi 313201, just saw this, I think you meant to quote me, I haven’t actually attached the pony truck yet, it’s something I still need to fathom out. The pony truck is off a Wills County that was floating about and has a rectangular slot to slide in, I’ll be able to simply screw it in but I need to get the Dremel out and carve out the backs of the cylinders to allow some decent movement. Aside from that it’s a pretty good chassis to kitbash although if you can get hold of some HO chassis as made by Tyco/Mantua it would save a good bit of work. 

[Ramblin Rich]

5 hours ago, rockershovel said:

 

Union Pacific built some 0-10-2 to that design;

 

 

 

But THESE are conversions of older freight locos

 

 

 

I clicked on informative as there's no way I could like these brutes. They look like they've been driven into an ugly wall. Fast...!