Imaginary Locomotives

[PhilJ W 88,216]

The ROD in WW1 had some narrow guage 4-6-0's (Baldwin?) but later orders were for 2-6-2's.

[RedGemAlchemist 4,534]

17 hours ago, micknich2003 said:

I can't think of any design of UK 2-6-0 tank engines, or conversely a 0-6-2 tender engine, though I recall reading examples of the later existed in Portugal.

Same. There were a few 4-6-0Ts but not 2-6-0Ts AFAIK.

[The Johnster 19,257]

18 hours ago, micknich2003 said:

I can't think of any design of UK 2-6-0 tank engines, or conversely a 0-6-2 tender engine, though I recall reading examples of the later existed in Portugal.

(revolting pedant hat on) Hawksworth’s 2-6-0PT is a UK design of UK tank locomotive (while I’ve got my revolting pedant hat on, the engine is only the cylinders, pistons and motion, irrelevant to a discussion of matters relating to tank, tender, or wheel arrangement) and tanks and though as it never got beyond the design stage it is not a UK 2-6-0T locomotive...

Edited May 15, 2020 by The Johnster

[PenrithBeacon 3,673]

The G&KER had a 2-6-0T named Blackpool

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7 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

The ROD in WW1 had some narrow guage 4-6-0's (Baldwin?)

and Hunslet.

 

7 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

but later orders were for 2-6-2's.

They were for the USA.

[RedGemAlchemist 4,534]

1 hour ago, PenrithBeacon said:

The G&KER had a 2-6-0T named Blackpool

Didn't know about this. Any photos?

 

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

(revolting pedant hat on) Hawksworth’s 2-6-0PT is a UK design of UK tank locomotive (while I’ve got my revolting pedant hat on, the engine is only the cylinders, pistons and motion, irrelevant to a discussion of matters relating to tank, tender, or wheel arrangement) and tanks and though as it never got beyond the design stage it is not a UK 2-6-0T locomotive...

Not opening that can of worms.

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14 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

0-6-2 tender takes weight, hence TE off of the drivers onto a dead axle.   Though, if you had a situation with length restrictions, and need for a massive firebox and higher speeds, maybe some potential?

 

But 0-4-2 tender engines were popular in some quarters - perhaps especially among Ayrshiremen - in the 19th century.

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8 hours ago, rockershovel said:

Didn’t Fowlers build some narrow-gauge 0-6-2 tender engines for plantation service in various locations? 

Roundhouse will sell you a 16mm scale live steam model of one. Apparently the rusting hulk of one survives in Australia, too.

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But 0-4-2 tender engines were popular in some quarters - perhaps especially among Ayrshiremen - in the 19th century.

Fair.   I personally adore the LB&SC B1 class.   Maybe stability?  Many 19th-century concepts seem to preclude commonly accepted practices.

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But 0-4-2 tender engines were popular in some quarters - perhaps especially among Ayrshiremen - in the 19th century.

Yes the 0-4-2 was popular in Ayrshire but this one spent most of it’s time in Galloway working on the Port Road and Portpatrick branch!  Hence the tender cab.

 

[PenrithBeacon 3,673]

2 hours ago, RedGemAlchemist said:

Didn't know about this. Any photos?

...

G&KER 'Blackpool'

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22 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

G&KER 'Blackpool'

Interesting. As someone who loves unusual tank locos, this definitely piques my interest. Standard gauge, I assume? Not a line I'm actually familiar with.

Edited May 15, 2020 by RedGemAlchemist

[DavidB-AU 6,523]

8 hours ago, RedGemAlchemist said:

Interesting. As someone who loves unusual tank locos, this definitely piques my interest. Standard gauge, I assume? Not a line I'm actually familiar with.

 

Yes. It passed into LMS ownership but I can't find any info about disposal.

 

And I found another one!

 

 

Cheers

David

[melmerby 14,736]

"LMS Locomotives Vol.2" by Essery and Jenkinson pictures all four absorbed Knott End Railway locos including Blackpool, which became LMS 11680 and was withdrawn in 1927

It was built by Manning Wardle.

It notes that it was one of only 2 standard Gauge 2-6-0Ts in the UK.

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2 minutes ago, melmerby said:

"LMS Locomotives Vol.2" by Essery and Jenkinson pictures all four absorbed Knott End Railway locos including Blackpool, which became LMS 11680 and was withdrawn in 1927

It was built by Manning Wardle.

It notes that it was one of only 2 standard Gauge 2-6-0Ts in the UK.

What was the other?

 

[melmerby 14,736]

3 minutes ago, micknich2003 said:

What was the other?

 

The one pictured above? (WM&CQ Railway)

[micknich2003 10,484]

Thanks for your reply, my mistake, I should have looked at ALL the posts.

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5 hours ago, DavidB-AU said:

 

Yes. It passed into LMS ownership but I can't find any info about disposal.

 

And I found another one!

 

 

Cheers

David

 

"Uses for on old Mainline J72 #94": splice extended boiler and tanks into middle and add a front pony wheel.

 

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the 0-6-2 for south africa is a Kitson of 1890 "Clara" of the Namaqualand railway and is still there

 

The 2-6-0 under it is from 1879 for Natal government

 

Fowler 2-6-0 for Sudan in 1876

 

1933 for Moreton Mill in Australia

[melmerby 14,736]

The Fowler loco for the Sudan has a bit of the look of a Beyer-Peacock/Fowler Met "A" class 4-4-0T.

 

 

The cab is nothing like UK practice though.

Edited May 16, 2020 by melmerby

[The Johnster 19,257]

It is, if you rotated it 90 deg., similar to the original LSWR B4 cabs.

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57 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

It is, if you rotated it 90 deg., similar to the original LSWR B4 cabs.

I think it's more of a sun shade than a cab as we would know it.

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6 hours ago, melmerby said:

The Fowler loco for the Sudan has a bit of the look of a Beyer-Peacock/Fowler Met "A" class 4-4-0T.

 

 

The cab is nothing like UK practice though.

Was it built by Beyer?

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Either Beyer or Manning Wardle I think, Wardle built locos in a similar style to Beyer for some export machines

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On 23/04/2020 at 10:01, RedGemAlchemist said:

Hmm. It certainly looks the part, though I see what you mean about the wheelbase. Definitely a good start though.

Nice Standard 4MT 2-6-2!