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This thing is clearly the result of an unholy union between a Riddles 9F and a Riddles 4MT 2-6-4T. and could be made, I suggest, out of a Hornby or Bachmann 9F with the cab cut off and the running plate trimmed from the point where the second component. the tanks, cab, and bunker of a Bachmann 4MT 2-6-4T, fits over the rear of the 9F boiler and firebox.  Some trimming of the inside edge of the tanks might be needed as well, as the 9F boiler and firebox are much fatter than the 4MT's.  The rear bogie is the one from the 4MT, and the bunker will already have oval buffers; I suggest that, because of the length of the loco, oval buffers should be fitted to the front as well, a straight swap from the 4MT. 

 

A 'superbanker' or very heavy short haul freight loco (I'm thinking of the likes of the Motherwell iron ore drags that the WD 2-10-0s were employed on) is all that this can be used for, as the water capacity is already compromised by the fat boiler and firebox and those big cylinders use a lot of steam, which requires a lot of water to be available for anything but a fairly short distance.  Frequent topping up would be needed.  I'm wondering if it would manage Aberbeeg from Ebbw Jc on full tanks, for Ebbw Vale iron ore trains.  Tractive Effort would be higher than a 9F if the tanks were full.  A possible candidate for additional water capacity with the tanks extended forwards and/or downwards, and possibly the addition of a well tank as, um, well, but the weight would be massive!  I think it would benefit from the smoke deflectors, especially with the lower exhaust pressure of a double chimney.

 

A 2-6-0 running chassis and boiler/smokebox/firebox top will be left over, along with the running plate, and this could presumably be made into a tolerable cheap 76xxx, though a new cab, the lower section of the boiler and firebox and rear part of running plate would have to found along with a tender; the Kitmaster plastic kit suggests itself.  It would probably be easier to use the Kitmaster body and work it up for detail.

 

Good luck and let us know how you get on!

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2 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

I really dig the 9F tank.   Shame you haven't made it run.   The world needs more Texas-types.

Redgate Models is planning a powered  build. I was tempted but have shelffulls of locomotives already and  another lifetimes worth of projects in mind!

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2 hours ago, 313201 said:

I would certainly be interested in knowing what parts are required for the body and what rear bogie is used as I would like to have at least 1 running on my layout.

A 9F and probably two Standard Four tank bodies as the bunker could do with an extension. I cut and shut the GBL chassis together with the tank rear bogie and underframe being used. If you used a motorised tank it starts becoming an expensive project but I presume a Bachmann bogie can be got as a spare and the GBL locos are adequate as donors for the body with a bit of detailing.

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1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

This thing is clearly the result of an unholy union between a Riddles 9F and a Riddles 4MT 2-6-4T. and could be made, I suggest, out of a Hornby or Bachmann 9F with the cab cut off and the running plate trimmed from the point where the second component. the tanks, cab, and bunker of a Bachmann 4MT 2-6-4T, fits over the rear of the 9F boiler and firebox.  Some trimming of the inside edge of the tanks might be needed as well, as the 9F boiler and firebox are much fatter than the 4MT's.  The rear bogie is the one from the 4MT, and the bunker will already have oval buffers; I suggest that, because of the length of the loco, oval buffers should be fitted to the front as well, a straight swap from the 4MT. 

 

A 'superbanker' or very heavy short haul freight loco (I'm thinking of the likes of the Motherwell iron ore drags that the WD 2-10-0s were employed on) is all that this can be used for, as the water capacity is already compromised by the fat boiler and firebox and those big cylinders use a lot of steam, which requires a lot of water to be available for anything but a fairly short distance.  Frequent topping up would be needed.  I'm wondering if it would manage Aberbeeg from Ebbw Jc on full tanks, for Ebbw Vale iron ore trains.  Tractive Effort would be higher than a 9F if the tanks were full.  A possible candidate for additional water capacity with the tanks extended forwards and/or downwards, and possibly the addition of a well tank as, um, well, but the weight would be massive!  I think it would benefit from the smoke deflectors, especially with the lower exhaust pressure of a double chimney.

 

A 2-6-0 running chassis and boiler/smokebox/firebox top will be left over, along with the running plate, and this could presumably be made into a tolerable cheap 76xxx, though a new cab, the lower section of the boiler and firebox and rear part of running plate would have to found along with a tender; the Kitmaster plastic kit suggests itself.  It would probably be easier to use the Kitmaster body and work it up for detail.

 

Good luck and let us know how you get on!

Would that small pokey looking bunker hold enough coal to raise steam?:stinker:

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1 hour ago, rodent279 said:

Reminds me a little of this beauty:-

 

It did seem Germanic.

 

2 hours ago, Ben Alder said:

Redgate Models is planning a powered  build. I was tempted but have shelffulls of locomotives already and  another lifetimes worth of projects in mind!

Isn't that the modeller's real license?  More power than you could ever need?

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21 hours ago, Ben Alder said:

The second is a sort of squashed up Radial... I had a spare dismantled Oxford lying around as part of a 4-4-0 building programme so  a bit of a cut and shunt later I ended up with this..It could have been motorised but runs smoothly and is going to get a powered coach or van to help it on its way. It is a sort of mix of a Duke of Suthereland's private loco and Peter Drummond's take on his brothers Bug and rather cute, I think.

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I like this very much, for some reason it just looks right to me.

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On 03/02/2021 at 23:49, Ben Alder said:

Extremes of the imagination. Triggered off by two photoshops on the FB page, the first being a sub class of the 9F for presumably banking duties or perhaps short distance suburban passenger traffic. This was done as a static model using the GBL range as a source. It was a bit of a whim, and I had no need of it as a runner, so was a sort of a concept model and is not really finished beyond a back of the shed model.

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The second is a sort of squashed up Radial... I had a spare dismantled Oxford lying around as part of a 4-4-0 building programme so  a bit of a cut and shunt later I ended up with this..It could have been motorised but runs smoothly and is going to get a powered coach or van to help it on its way. It is a sort of mix of a Duke of Suthereland's private loco and Peter Drummond's take on his brothers Bug and rather cute, I think.

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I was curious at first with the top picture of the diminutive 4-2-2 tank as to the arrangement on the bunker, until I spotted what it was...

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On 03/02/2021 at 23:49, Ben Alder said:

Extremes of the imagination. Triggered off by two photoshops on the FB page, the first being a sub class of the 9F for presumably banking duties or perhaps short distance suburban passenger traffic. This was done as a static model using the GBL range as a source. It was a bit of a whim, and I had no need of it as a runner, so was a sort of a concept model and is not really finished beyond a back of the shed model.

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The second ..... cut

 

 

 

For a fictional back history the 9F tanks were built for two tasks that immediately came into my mind, and I am sure other readers can think up more (Motherwell has been mentioned) My two built for tasks below would have generated a sub-class of about 6 examples.

 

1) replacing Big Bertha on the Lickey. (Proved unsuccessful there for the same reason the tender versions did)

2)  replacements for the Urie G16 and H16 tanks at Feltham Yard.

 

As an aside I much prefer the earlier lined out livery with the bicycling lion.

 

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What about a Clan boilered vesion of the 2-6-4T for fast 10 coach + outer suburban work, retaining the 6'2" driving wheels.  Range about 80 miles on a bunker full, so good for Brighton, Southend, Clacton, Ipswich, Oxford at a push, Cambridge at a push, Glasgow-Ayr, Glasgow-Edinburgh. Birmingham-Derby, Birmingham-Crewe, Manchester-Llandudno, Manchester-Blackpool, Bristol-Exeter. 

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4 hours ago, John Besley said:

Here's one I built in around 1983... used a MDC HO scale Boxcab and cut up a Hornby class 25 body for the grilled and roof panel, fitted brass buffers from a Pannier tank and a driver from Weston, lettered up for Stanley N Evan's (who where a sand and gravel merchant near Stourbridge) 

 

This resurfaced again after all these years along with the original prints 

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What an interesting diesel locomotive! Can you imagine it in Harry Needle colours?

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2 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

That diesel box makes me think of the Ford Dagenham loco.

That was part of the reasoning behind the build, I fell in love with Boxcabs once I stumbled across Model Railroader and American modeling methods in the late 1970's... they where streets ahead of the UK at the time

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53 minutes ago, BernardTPM said:

There's already a thread for that here: Fictional Units


May I suggest checking this out as well.....

 

I have contributed in this thread with a load of my ‘What Might Have Beene’....coaches, locos, DVTs, conversions and even a fictional Pullman Full Brake Coach, set up to be a modern air braked support coach with full WiFi, train managers office and communications centre for the the train.    
 

Also this might be of interest to anyone with an interest in modern wagons. Some, particularly my efforts, are fictitious with a leaning towards specialist wagons. 
 

How to reduce the huge repair bill to roads and prevent the M20 becoming a car park. 
Customs check and seal them first, stick the Trucks on this type of rail wagon and reduce death on the roads at the same time. Less pollution but politically definitely undesirable. Designed so trucks can be dropped off on low level platforms, either to the left or to the right, from any point in a train and driven away. Think there now might actually be something real that is similar in France. 
 

 

 

 

Love this thread by the way....such imagination and skill. Quite superb. Please keep up the good work, it is so inspiring. 
 

Cheers Grizz....

 

 

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Hi guys,

My first time posting ever on RMWeb, my dad, “Grizz”, who is a common poster on here, has given me a nudge into posting my first proper modelling build, not based off of a kit.

A little back story: 

So I am in the process of building 2 Prototype locomotives namely the Class 94/0 and the Class 94/4.

Both locomotives are based off of a Mk4 DVT body and chasis, with some modifications to enable them to be locomotives with two cabs (similar to a Class 91).

 

The imaginary locomotives are both similar in design and concept, except some exterior body features. The imaginary locomotives are based on a Hybrid design, running on Battery, Diesel Electric, and 3rd Rail DC Electric (which I have a particular fondness of, as 3rd rail is part of my day job).


I have some progress photographs that I have taken if anybody is interested.

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The Above is the imaginary Class 94/0 with corridor connection, and below is the imaginary Class 94/4 locomotive without corridor connection (looking more like the Class 91).

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these photographs above are at the beginning of the development stages, with the cabs marked out, and only partly complete lighting etc.

 

The Class 94/0 has been designed to complete duties for high-speed parcels trains and high-speed international parcel trains from Dollands Moor to across the country. The corridor connection allows ease of access for parcels staff and for crew to enter the train.

 

Due to the corridor connection on the rear, a shunting cab was added for slow speed, shunting operations to occur within yards.

The Class 94/0 was intended to work in Multiple with another locomotive or Driving Trailer, to reduce the time spent shunting and running around the trains at each end.

 

The imaginary Locomotives have had their chassis supported and strengthened to withstand the additional weight from the traction equipment. Buffing Gear is being added to both ends to allow wagons to be coupled.

 

 

The Class 94/4 is a variant from the 94/0, with the corridor connection being removed, and a full operational cab being added to the rear.

The imaginary locomotive was intended to work both high-speed parcels and high-speed freight, with the rear cab allowing the Loco to run in both directions.

 

Both locomotives have had their fronts rounded due to a less requirement for extreme speed. This can be seen in the photo below which is incomplete as of yet with some requirements for some more filing :-D.2CC7E33D-227A-436B-91E6-8C256C8F209C.jpeg.a72596369d73420c58ad0f22d5ca537b.jpeg

hopefully this might be of interest to someone, I am quite enjoying making these as my first attempt.

 

Skål

 

DKViking. 

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9 minutes ago, DKViking said:

Hi guys,

My first time posting ever on RMWeb, my dad, “Grizz”, who is a common poster on here, has given me a nudge into posting my first proper modelling build, not based off of a kit.

A little back story: 

So I am in the process of building 2 Prototype locomotives namely the Class 94/0 and the Class 94/4.

Both locomotives are based off of a Mk4 DVT body and chasis, with some modifications to enable them to be locomotives with two cabs (similar to a Class 91).

 

The imaginary locomotives are both similar in design and concept, except some exterior body features. The imaginary locomotives are based on a Hybrid design, running on Battery, Diesel Electric, and 3rd Rail DC Electric (which I have a particular fondness of, as 3rd rail is part of my day job).


I have some progress photographs that I have taken if anybody is interested.

7851D0C5-508A-4D6F-9621-454B2AB3DD50.jpeg.fb71dfc687c7d02af643846d34680531.jpeg

The Above is the imaginary Class 94/0 with corridor connection, and below is the imaginary Class 94/4 locomotive without corridor connection (looking more like the Class 91).

EB26532F-5FC6-40E0-81B4-C9CEC46D4295.jpeg.004d2b4ccec396990fb45c365caa9564.jpeg
these photographs above are at the beginning of the development stages, with the cabs marked out, and only partly complete lighting etc.

 

The Class 94/0 has been designed to complete duties for high-speed parcels trains and high-speed international parcel trains from Dollands Moor to across the country. The corridor connection allows ease of access for parcels staff and for crew to enter the train.

 

Due to the corridor connection on the rear, a shunting cab was added for slow speed, shunting operations to occur within yards.

The Class 94/0 was intended to work in Multiple with another locomotive or Driving Trailer, to reduce the time spent shunting and running around the trains at each end.

 

The imaginary Locomotives have had their chassis supported and strengthened to withstand the additional weight from the traction equipment. Buffing Gear is being added to both ends to allow wagons to be coupled.

 

 

The Class 94/4 is a variant from the 94/0, with the corridor connection being removed, and a full operational cab being added to the rear.

The imaginary locomotive was intended to work both high-speed parcels and high-speed freight, with the rear cab allowing the Loco to run in both directions.

 

Both locomotives have had their fronts rounded due to a less requirement for extreme speed. This can be seen in the photo below which is incomplete as of yet with some requirements for some more filing :-D.2CC7E33D-227A-436B-91E6-8C256C8F209C.jpeg.a72596369d73420c58ad0f22d5ca537b.jpeg

hopefully this might be of interest to someone, I am quite enjoying making these as my first attempt.

 

Skål

 

DKViking. 

ᚺᛁ ᛋᚴᚨᛚ,

 

ᚹᚺᚨᛏ ᛚᛁᚡᛖᚱᛁᛖᛋ ᚨᚱᛖ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚷᛟᛁᚾᚷ ᛏᛟ ᛈᚨᛁᚾᛏ ᛏᚺᛖᛋᛖ ᛚᛟᚲᛟᛗᛟᛏᛁᚡᛖᛋ, ᚹᛁᛚᛚ ᛏᚺᛖᚤ ᛒᛖ ᛁᚾ ᚨ ᛈᛟᛋᛏ ᛟᚠᚠᛁᚲᛖ ᛟᚱ ᛋᛖᚲᛏᛟᚱᛁᛋᚨᛏᛁᛟᚾ ᛚᛁᚡᛖᚱᚤ ?

 

ᛁᚠ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚹᛖᚱᛖ ᚨ ᛈᚱᛟᛈᛖᚱ ᚡᛁᚴᛁᚾᚷ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚹᛟᚢᛚᛞ ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛖ ᚢᛋᛁᚾᚷ ᚱᚢᚾᛖᛋ.

 

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5 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

ᚺᛁ ᛋᚴᚨᛚ,

 

ᚹᚺᚨᛏ ᛚᛁᚡᛖᚱᛁᛖᛋ ᚨᚱᛖ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚷᛟᛁᚾᚷ ᛏᛟ ᛈᚨᛁᚾᛏ ᛏᚺᛖᛋᛖ ᛚᛟᚲᛟᛗᛟᛏᛁᚡᛖᛋ, ᚹᛁᛚᛚ ᛏᚺᛖᚤ ᛒᛖ ᛁᚾ ᚨ ᛈᛟᛋᛏ ᛟᚠᚠᛁᚲᛖ ᛟᚱ ᛋᛖᚲᛏᛟᚱᛁᛋᚨᛏᛁᛟᚾ ᛚᛁᚡᛖᚱᚤ ?

 

ᛁᚠ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚹᛖᚱᛖ ᚨ ᛈᚱᛟᛈᛖᚱ ᚡᛁᚴᛁᚾᚷ ᚤᛟᚢ ᚹᛟᚢᛚᛞ ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛖ ᚢᛋᛁᚾᚷ ᚱᚢᚾᛖᛋ.

 

ᚷᛁᛒᛒᛟ.

Hej Gibbo :D,

us Vikings have now developed further with text hahaha!

I have not really thought about liveries as of yet.

I have got an idea based upon my own fictional Private company which is called ThorRail.eu

 

I have an example below using a livery editor in Train Sim World 2 on the PlayStation.

It is not yet fully complete, but it might give you some idea :-D

 

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I have a Danish and English flag to represent  my two countries, and the Thor’s Hammer symbol, after my name.

 

There is some more writing and details on the loco to follow, I just haven’t got round to completing it yet haha!

 

all the best,

Thor (son of Grizz).

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1 minute ago, 313201 said:

Hi DKViking

 

I had come up with an idea for a class 94 loco based on an hst powercar fully converted to a co-co electric loco using class 58 bogies as if they had been re-geared fo high speed running 100+ mph.

 

In the interest of co-operation and so that it does not get mixed up with your locos I will renumber my loco in the 94/1, 94/2, 94/3 or 94/5 sub class .

 

I like your ideas for your locos and can't wait to see how they look when they're finished.

 

I have 2 x class 91 locos which currently need a lot of parts to get the working again but with mine, I came up with an idea of making similar to American style Locomotives where they had a master and slave unit both of which had power units in them.

 

The difference with mine will be that whereas the American master and slave Locomotives only had 1 cab, my loco be of 2 joined back to back with the cabs on the outer ends only, these will require modified bogie frames to allow the outer ends to couple to the coaches.

Thanks for the modification to numbering. I love the idea that you have! Would love to see photographs of the model. Keep up the good work!

All the best,

DKViking :-) 

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Interesting that you've 'reverted' to the original HST concept of a guard's compartment at the 'blunt' end of the power car with a control desk for moving the unit around in the depot, or even for hauling other traffic such as overnight freight on your loco.  I remember these guard's compartments; they were very noisy and draughty, and bounced around quite a bit even at sub-100mph speeds.  A seating bay was sacrificed from the adjoining 2nd class mk3 for the guard, and improved the situation very considerably, the old guard's accommodation being suitable for carrying mails as it was lockable. 

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22 minutes ago, 313201 said:

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Hi DKViking and The Johnster

 

As I suggested earlier that I would do, I have renumbered my loco as 94301.

 

It still has the corridor connection at the blunt end which I would certainly appreciate opinions on whether I leave it as it is as a 2nd cab end with the corridor connection or remove the connection and make it a full windowed cab end.

 

I do plan to change the guards doors for rear cab doors and I do have the remains of a hst body from where I can acquire the necessary doors for the rear cab.

 

What do you reckon

 

With the HST style end and class 58 bogies/chassis, is it potentially a single ended variation of the Class 89?

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