Fat Controller Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheEngineShed said: I've taken an interest in Brynlliw, after purchasing a Hornby Peckett. I don't recognize the purpose of the cantilevered roof structures in the photo behind 1426. Brynlliw Colliery landsale yard, any ideas? I've seen them at a few other sites; I think they're there as an improvised roof to keep the coal dry, though I'd say that was a forlorn hope in Pontarddulais. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: I've seen them at a few other sites; I think they're there as an improvised roof to keep the coal dry, though I'd say that was a forlorn hope in Pontarddulais. The name "Landsale" yard might suggest this is where they sold the coal to local merchants, there is a lorry parked next to one of the wagons. Sold by weight, you wouldn't want to buy wet coal. Even if the attempt was forlorn, it might have been a sales pitch of sorts from the NCB? One of the videos I watched showed 1426 switching out the empties for loaded wagons. I'd have thought internal wagons would be used for internal movements, but they were BR wagons. Maybe by 1978, BR wasn't as concerned about how fast the NCB returned their wagons... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fat Controller said: I've seen them at a few other sites; I think they're there as an improvised roof to keep the coal dry, though I'd say that was a forlorn hope in Pontarddulais. Looks like this is the landsale siding. Looks like the NUM have negotiated hard for half decent working conditions as every wagon is unloaded by hand. It is worth remembering that before the introduction of the area bonus scheme, surface workers were paid little more than general labourers. They did however enjoy the protection of one of the strongest unions and management that generally took a benevolent approach to it's employees. Edited March 14, 2021 by doilum 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, TheEngineShed said: The name "Landsale" yard might suggest this is where they sold the coal to local merchants, there is a lorry parked next to one of the wagons. Sold by weight, you wouldn't want to buy wet coal. Even if the attempt was forlorn, it might have been a sales pitch of sorts from the NCB? One of the videos I watched showed 1426 switching out the empties for loaded wagons. I'd have thought internal wagons would be used for internal movements, but they were BR wagons. Maybe by 1978, BR wasn't as concerned about how fast the NCB returned their wagons... It's quite possible that the land-sale coal was actually brought in from elsewhere on the coalfield, both for merchants and for concessionary coal. Anthracite (the local coal) needed an enclosed firebox, and a forced draught, if it was to burn. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, TheEngineShed said: I've taken an interest in Brynlliw, after purchasing a Hornby Peckett. I don't recognize the purpose of the cantilevered roof structures in the photo behind 1426. Brynlliw Colliery landsale yard, any ideas? There was a bit of a discussion about them after I posted that picture... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: It's quite possible that the land-sale coal was actually brought in from elsewhere on the coalfield, both for merchants and for concessionary coal. Anthracite (the local coal) needed an enclosed firebox, and a forced draught, if it was to burn. Which might explain the BR wagons. In later years miners could opt for coke or anthracite beans in order to comply with local smokeless fuel regulations. The distribution of concessionary coal was handled usually by independent contractors called coal leaders. My brother burnt the beans and mother's uncle was a leader! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: There was a bit of a discussion about them after I posted that picture... Thanks, I missed that set of posts in my initial search. I have to agree with one of the posts, these shelters would be interesting to model, interchange with lorries instead of canal boats... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 NCB Durham Area Clockburn Drift Mine 1971 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 23:37, pete_mcfarlane said: 1990 at Castle Donnington power station is the normal answer, with a few fireless locos still working after that date. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/robert-stephenson-hawthorn-works-no-7817-no-1-0-4-0st/ I think that trumps the fireless loco at Croda Chemicals Four Ashes which I saw in steam, a couple of times in the 1980s. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 OT picture, but as it has a lot of useful modelling detail and didn't know where else to post it.... T W Ward Tinsley 1985 by Gordon Egdar 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted March 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2021 15 hours ago, montyburns56 said: OT picture, but as it has a lot of useful modelling detail and didn't know where else to post it.... T W Ward Tinsley 1985 by Gordon Egdar This wouldn't look out of place in the company of @Ruston's Charlie Strong Metals (and Watery Lane siding's) thread ....and vice versa ! Wonderfully atmospheric. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2021 Most informative thanks while I have plenty of shots of NCB locos the thread has been fantastic for track and infrastructure references. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 22/03/2021 at 19:09, montyburns56 said: OT picture, but as it has a lot of useful modelling detail and didn't know where else to post it.... T W Ward Tinsley 1985 by Gordon Egdar 10 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 Okay this one is cheating a bit as it's actually Dinting's Austerity 'Warrington' appearing at Transpo 73 at Salford Docks, but they are cool pictures. I've been trying to work out where they were taken and judging from the swing bridge in the background of one of them I'm guessing it was near Dock 6?? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Somewhere near here: I think the modern warehouse on the right of the first photo faced onto No6 dock. The older warehouses in the distance are on the Trafford side. The swing bridge is swung for ships to pass. 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted May 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2021 Transpo 73 - I can just about remember it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Charlie Hulme has another picture of Expo 73 on his site. http://www.manlocosoc.co.uk/chulme/slide-webone-off.cgi?ch-006&53 And here's a pic of 84007 on the site. And it seems that there was even an APT-E mock up SELNEC Mock-up Picc-Vic light rail vehicle Manchester tram 765 9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 20/05/2021 at 19:39, montyburns56 said: I believe that's a repurposed RAF Queen Mary trailer. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 20/05/2021 at 19:39, montyburns56 said: Charlie Hulme has another picture of Expo 73 on his site. http://www.manlocosoc.co.uk/chulme/slide-webone-off.cgi?ch-006&53 And here's a pic of 84007 on the site. And it seems that there was even an APT-E mock up SELNEC Mock-up Picc-Vic light rail vehicle Manchester tram 765 I think the Picc-Vic vehicle is now at the bus museum on Queens Road 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Corbs said: I believe that's a repurposed RAF Queen Mary trailer. Looks like it has been modified with another axle, originally they only had one axle as aeroplanes are light but bulky things 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 16:53, doilum said: Looks like this is the landsale siding. Looks like the NUM have negotiated hard for half decent working conditions as every wagon is unloaded by hand. It is worth remembering that before the introduction of the area bonus scheme, surface workers were paid little more than general labourers. They did however enjoy the protection of one of the strongest unions and management that generally took a benevolent approach to it's employees. My recollection of Landsale Yards ( in my case, in particular, Cwm-Llantwit and 'Mount' ), was that as with BR coal yards, the wagons were unloaded by the coal merchant, not NCB (or BR) staff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 17:44, Fat Controller said: It's quite possible that the land-sale coal was actually brought in from elsewhere on the coalfield, both for merchants and for concessionary coal. Anthracite (the local coal) needed an enclosed firebox, and a forced draught, if it was to burn. The movement of 'concessionary' coal around South Wales, and into the area from further afield, was in the main, in the odd wagon, or maybe a pair, and often travelling in the opposite direction to the prevailing traffic flows. . Even allowing for almost 50 pits at the turn of the 70s, I doubt the traffic was overly remunerative for the railway......but would give an excuse to run a couple of 'fulls' - 'up the valley' in a train of empties heading back for loading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) On 24/05/2021 at 13:51, br2975 said: The movement of 'concessionary' coal around South Wales, and into the area from further afield, was in the main, in the odd wagon, or maybe a pair, and often travelling in the opposite direction to the prevailing traffic flows. . Even allowing for almost 50 pits at the turn of the 70s, I doubt the traffic was overly remunerative for the railway......but would give an excuse to run a couple of 'fulls' - 'up the valley' in a train of empties heading back for loading. If I recall correctly, the concession was a ton / month for each miner. If, for some reason the local coal was unsuitable or deemed too valuable this might be a not inconsiderable tonnage for a colliery with 800 plus employees. Another twist in the tale might result from the centralisation of coal washing plants with washed and graded " clean" coal returning up the valley to the colliery landsale. Edited May 26, 2021 by doilum Predictive text error 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 Deene coke ovens 1971 Who fancies modelling this? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Deene coke ovens 1971 Who fancies modelling this? That would be an interesting challenge! I'm thinking lava lamp? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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