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Been pondering a little micro layout while work commences on my train room! Gathered some info and even made up a platform sign.

So workbench gone most materials packed away hopefully work on the room will be done by Christmas it’s only a tart up but there’s also a bathroom floor to lay and a sewing room to tart up for Mrs Ade, Both kids left home now and these were once their bedrooms.

So wanting a bit of 009 and 00 as my long term project Barnstaple Quay will have, this short term two tier is what currently is in favour. 

The inspirational photos I came across.  By Richard Watts Link

 

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The former engine shed with blocked up doors in the mid distance would be one end and maybe an exit view block behind it.

Then there is this building behind the camera above for a visual block the opposite end if needed.

 

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Plenty of inspiration around the place simple track layout, my collection of photos Here

Having a mess around with some bits to hand.

 

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What I have there would all need to be moved forward towards the camera. Might lay some track out think about a fiddle stick next.

Then the next bit would be a fictional quarry face above the platform on the none prototype side with a 009 chuffing along a ledge.

Until  next time.

 Cheers.

Punctuation and drop a pic.

 

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Might get some track out tomorrow, but deciding which of my boards to use the one above is 44 cm wide, I do have a wider one haven’t put the tape on that on that as it’s buried in the back of the garage.

I need a track  plan but can seem to locate a decent photo.

in this photo is kind of thing. 

 

Shed Photo

 

In the link photo above the viewing side would be to the right of the photo as you look at it i.e. quarry side.

so not the 3 tracks between the shed and the platform, left of photo as you look at it but perhaps 2.

The shed road itself and a head shunt/wagon storage right of the shed. The loaded wagons would be coming in here ideally but at the front it wouldn’t be great so the would come in behind the shed as entry to the scenic section would be hidden.

 

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Above a a more modern day image with the engine shed entrance blocked up. So squash the width platform to shed add a three way point or stagger two RH points to suit to regain the shed road.

 

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Then a set of points for engine release if room. 

 

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Then our old friend the original photo again. So head shunt right platform road left. Which my go off scene or stick in another set of buffers.

The shed by Google measure is 23ft wide so 92mm add 3 tracks 210mm and the platform width plus a bit for curves 50mm call it 370mm does that seem right?

70mm left so with a thought of a narrow gauge above will need the wider board.

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Until tomorrow cheers.

Let me know your thoughts.

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So ripped up what was on the old board for a look if things would fit.

Knocked up a scale representation of the loco shed, off my Google measurements so probably out a bit.

 

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Looks like I have 140mm behind the platform for the quarry face, the 009 will only work then with a dog bone shape layout to 6 inch radius curves.

 

 

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Obviously those are large  points need small ones.

 

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I’ve just had a thought looking now I should swing the left hand end closer to the front just enough for the building that end. Give a bit more room at the back,

I’ll have another look tomorrow see the footprint of the other building.and put some height at the back and see if it’s feasible.

 Cheers let me know your thoughts.

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So yesterday I also missed a line, I was hoping for 2 between shed and platform and I think they go in.

I picked up a point (no research just the smallest e frog they had a SL-E91 and some 009 Mainline track at Signals today no connection just a happy customer.

Mocked up the left hand building, Any problems you can see?

 

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Below the 009 would have the rear line hidden, kind of like the box lid indicates then hopefully a 6 inch radius each end partly hidden.

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Cheers 

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The LSWR G6 is a prominent loco on many images all copyrighted I could find. So I’m probably going to need one of those also!

 

Link to photo example

 

G6

 

Nothing RTR out there but Jack for his Meldon build (linked to in first post) is way ahead and commissioned a SEF version build. Link below is Richard B’s Gibson build of it nice work there and food for thought.

 

Gibson G6 build

 

Cheers

 

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I tried in Layout and Track Design but no one seems to be in there, so a paste here as I have 3 followers thankyou  you three.

Help on the layout of points!

my track laying experience is very limited, I’ve set out this.

 

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So looking closer below we have right to left a siding, a single track engine shed, a engine release line which is off the fiddle bringing wagons in to head shunt and back into siding, a  line with platform. Then a quarry face with a 009 loop on top.

 

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Above looking at others I should have a left hand small rather than a right from the shed line to the siding to straighten it up?

I also need another set of points where the coach and van are for loco run around or would you do that off scene on more of a traverser?

 

Cheers all help greatfully received.

Ade.

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If yo go for a left hand point that feeds the engine shed and siding this should be the same size at the point from the loop feeding into the engine shed and siding so the line comes back parallel  to the loop line without any unnatural curves etc.

Peco do printed sheets of their points to aid in layout planning. Buy one and photocopy.

 

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On 20/10/2019 at 02:51, AdeMoore said:

The LSWR G6 is a prominent loco on many images all copyrighted I could find. So I’m probably going to need one of those also!

 

Link to photo example

 

G6

 

Nothing RTR out there but Jack for his Meldon build (linked to in first post) is way ahead and commissioned a SEF version build. Link below is Richard B’s alternative Gibson build nice work there and food for thought.

 

Gibson G6 build

 

Cheers

 

 

You could use a USA tank - Model Rail have these, Kernow Model Centre supplies....

 

 

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2 hours ago, JohnR said:

 

You could use a USA tank - Model Rail have these, Kernow Model Centre supplies....

 

 

Cheers John I found that from Jacks Meldon thread the order is in!

I was just casting the net on the G6 in case someone from my Google search were under the radar! Someone always knows an alternative.

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3 hours ago, Gordon A said:

If yo go for a left hand point that feeds the engine shed and siding this should be the same size at the point from the loop feeding into the engine shed and siding so the line comes back parallel  to the loop line without any unnatural curves etc.

Peco do printed sheets of their points to aid in layout planning. Buy one and photocopy.

 

Gordon A


Cheers Gordon I’ll have to lay it out with those photocopies, you kind of lost me on “ comes back parallel to loop line” More photos then tonight.

 

3 hours ago, lmnp said:

 

You can download and print out the crossing plans from here:

 

https://peco-uk.com/collections/turn-out-crossing-plans/oo-ho-16-5mm?view=48

 

Cheers

Rich


Thanks Rich as you can see I did photocopy the point

 

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12 hours ago, Gordon A said:

If yo go for a left hand point that feeds the engine shed and siding this should be the same size at the point from the loop feeding into the engine shed and siding so the line comes back parallel  to the loop line without any unnatural curves etc. 

 

 

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Cheers Gordon I’ll have to lay it out with those photocopies, you kind of lost me on “ comes back parallel to loop line” More photos then tonight. 

 

 

Hi Ade,

 

This illustrates what Gordon means:

 

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If you use mismatched points, as in the top example, you end up with different geometry requiring a curve to join up.

 

If the points match at both ends of the loop, there isn't that problem, you get a nice parallel loop as in the bottom example.

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

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2 hours ago, Alister_G said:

 

 

Hi Ade,

 

This illustrates what Gordon means:

 

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If you use mismatched points, as in the top example, you end up with different geometry requiring a curve to join up.

 

If the points match at both ends of the loop, there isn't that problem, you get a nice parallel loop as in the bottom example.

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

Thanks Al I was getting my wires crossed I thought Gordon was referring to the siding not the run around loop.

i didn’t get to have a do with it this evening so perhaps tonight!

 Cheers for the explanation. 

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Thanks Gordon and Alister for the input.

Had a further experiment earlier.

the left had into the shed looks loads better and a set of points shed end works with room for at least two coaches and a van to be run around.

 

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Still no more allowance in two posts! Squeezed one more without resizing!

still needs some sweeps but getting there.

As always all comments gratefully received.

until next time.

 Cheers 

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On the other channel Dave had an idea for me to try.

 

A long Y point may be better as it will make the curve from the loop to the engine and siding less severe.

Ok Dave had a go at that couldn’t seem to get it to work in the space.

   

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Below I could slide the large Y left a bit but not enough to make the siding meet the RH point.

 

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Below back to a small right and then a small left from the loop to the engine shed. Then the siding by the engine shed fits.

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I did read you can’t put these small points together.

 “The small radius points are too short to be used to build a yard 'ladder' as the tracks will be too close together, but can be combined with a Y point to create a 'fan' yard. Plan to space track centrelines at 2in and double check that all tracks are at more than 1in centres before final fixing down”

All comments good and bad gratefully received.

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I had that wrong!

Daves post was this.

Top marks for giving it a go and not spending the £££s to regretting it afterwards. 

I was thinking about trying the Y where ringed. If possible consider moving the track plan a few cm to the left (as viewed) to create more space at x-x which would allow a sweeping curve in the siding (Y) and maintain the open feel of the area - assuming you have the entire board to play with!

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And I wouldn't worry too much about moving paper templates and rolling stock around as it's worth taking the time to make it look and perform as originally imagined

 

so now armed with that info I had another go at putting a long Y in.

I think it’s better even though I forgot to slide it over 2 cms and get those curves in the shed road and siding.


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The slide over would also bring the loop more parallel to the platform line.
Off to the Quantocks this weekend so no more here until next week.

 Cheers.

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Been track laying and trying to sort the wiring, bit of research required as not wired a proper layout before.

 

Had a Birthday over the weekend and my brilliant family gave me this.

 

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There she is well number apart as I intend it on the layout lovely model and super detail and super smooth slow running. 

 

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Well pleased more soon.

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Chance of some rare of late train room time.

Whats going on here then!

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Thought I’d give it a go for future reference.

10mm to sleeper centres. 
As below baseboard drilled out for droppers and tie bar wires.

that was it for an hour or two this afternoon.

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Happy New Year to everyone.

As ever more soon.

 Cheers 

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The 10mm was a bit much on the sleeper spacing. I read elsewhere on here due to the narrow gauge the sleeper spacing needs narrowing in a bit. So trying 9mm on laying the track out and cutting up. When I get it on the layout I’ll see what looks best.

 

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Bit more done this afternoon for an hour.

Decided to underlay the whole thing as  o ballast shoulder is required.

Now back earlier in 2019 my old frost screen cover got beyond repair, I noticed a nice foam texture sealed to the plastic cover umm underlay I thought I’ll keep that. So here it is repurposed!

stuck well with carpet glue and this one was good no CFC so no awful smell.

Time will tell.

The 20 year old ex TTTE base board in the raw!


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Labelled for future use.

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Cheap but decent glue £2.99 a can I think it was.

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The foam glued down.

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Next up soldering droppers and threading wires through. I’m thinking either poke the wires through from behind or push a spike through to locate the holes. Barbecue Skewer maybe.

Until next time .

 Cheers  

 

 

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