Simon Moore Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I'm thinking about doing another continental layout in the future once my 0 gauge layout is complete. I have a few prussian & bavarian models tucked away & I would like to build a layout for them to live on. I've been trying to find trackplans & information but I've struggled to find anything. Can anyone point me in the direction of some good websites or have any trackplans they could share please. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Here's a site with loads of prototype track diagrams:- http://www.eisenbahn-mv.de/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Simon, If you want an authorative guide to Bavarian branchlines terminii try this link: - Click here JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Thank you very much chaps that's super, very helpful indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Hi Simon, A very good cross section of posts is to be found here; It would have been more helpful if it had been posted in the German section of the forum but never mind, there is some really interesting and informative posts there. Unfortunately, the link I provided appears to be down, THAT was the really authoritative source of information for modelling Bavarian branch lines! Enjoy! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 You and others may also find this page interesting; https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/germanrailfr/questions-about-bavarian-branchlines-t2007-s10.html Cheers, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted October 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2019 There was a two-part series on this subject recently in Continental Modeller—the August and September 2019 issues, including track plans, rolling stock and buildings, by David Cox. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium readingtype Posted October 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2019 I recommend David's recent articles. A German language site, and another casualty of time, Lokalbahn-Reminiszenzen (branch line reminiscences) has been saved by the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20161124213836/http://www.lokalbahn-reminiszenzen.de/start.htm The site concentrates on a small number of lines but has plenty of detail. Follow the links to 'Gleispläne' (track plans). An example page: https://web.archive.org/web/20161114154045/http://www.lokalbahn-reminiszenzen.de/gleisplaene/modellbahnplaene1.htm 'Lokalbahn' is the word used in Bavaria and Austria for a low-speed branch line with the most basic signalling and permitting only light loadings; 'Nebenbahn' is the general German term. This may help when searching the web (I suggest you use google.de for better results if you don't already). I don't know whether the variance in terminology relates directly to the legal status of the lines, but I believe there was a law in one or other of the German states broadly equivalent to the British Light Railways Act but earlier. Others will correct me :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Simon, I'm assuming you are thinking of HO? If so, there are very significant differences between Prussian and Bavarian prototypes: track plans, buildings and stock. Most of the offerings in this thread are of Bavarian stations, if you want to consider an (almost) Prussian option have a gander at the Grafenwald video which is somewhere in this section. A problem with many prototypical track plans is they are very long. So they may not work in an exhibition setting. Whilst Grafenwald was a beautiful piece of North German modelling, there wasn't much happening per linear foot. However, I've done the opposite with my Franconian Spur Null layout (Höchstädt) with a scenic section just 16' long. So one has to suspend belief when the goods train shunts in front of the station building. A final thought. I don't think any Bavarian Lokalbahn stock made it to Prussia, but the reverse did happen (ie BR 78s around Nurnberg). Bill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Hi Bill I am going to concentrate on a Bavarian themed layout as I have more k.bay stock. Jack benson's link has given me some real food for thought, I like to make small layouts because they are easier to digest in my head. I get very overwhelmed with the thought of something big plus its operation when your on your own. I think between 6 & 8 feet is my maximum space & as long as it looks like ok I will be happy. I could see a few layouts in German ho on the horizon, I've always fancied a ww2 layout with the german military on it. I've only ever seen one before & it was great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rhb Simon said: I think between 6 & 8 feet is my maximum space & as long as it looks like ok I will be happy. I could see a few layouts in German ho on the horizon, I've always fancied a ww2 layout with the german military on it. I've only ever seen one before & it was great. I would be very careful about making comments like that on a public forum. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Bernard Lamb said: I would be very careful about making comments like that on a public forum. Bernard I dont see that I've said anything offensive Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Rhb Simon said: I dont see that I've said anything offensive Bernard Then you do not have much experience of German railways or German history. I have seen things kick off on forums over far less. Funny that it is you who choose to use the word offensive whereas I just wrote to be careful without stipulating any reason. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: I would be very careful about making comments like that on a public forum. Bernard Errr absolutely nothing wrong with what Simon has said there. He's simply mulling over layout ideas. Nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Hi All, As moderator of this forum, I feel that I should attempt to mediate here. If I may be so bold as to speak at all, that is? I believe that Bernard is simply saying to be careful when discussing events relating to the Nazi or National Socialist (NSDAP) period of German history that ran mainly between 1933 and 1945. To borrow from the "Railways of Germany" forum and regarding actual legislation in Germany, France and other countries, Discussion of these matters is a minefield that could easily bring the forum into jeopardy and is therefore best avoided. I would rather accept criticism for denying such discussion than see this forum be criticised for allowing any such discussion. Hopefully, obviously, the discussion of the actual Second World War itself and any layout plans arising from such is fine but discussion of the reasons behind the war pro or con will see the entire topic deleted. Thanks for your understanding. John E. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 John, Bernard it's a layout idea nothing more. I've no interest in upsetting anyone or bringing the forum into disrepute. I like the odd look of some of the german tanks & military vehicles which is not something seen often on a layout. If you think Overlord but with the opposition on a branchline that's what I was thinking. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 This is what I was talking about. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 To set the rest of my post in context, my father was in Auschwitz between 1943 and 1945. I have no problem with layouts set in Germany during WW2, indeed there is a thread on RMWeb about Al's N gauge layout, The Bridge at Remagen. I have seen and admired the layout at exhibitions. However I would be distressed to see a layout with trains depicting transportation to concentration and prisoner of war camps. Bill 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) On 11 October 2019 at 13:47, Allegheny1600 said: To borrow from the "Railways of Germany" forum and regarding actual legislation in Germany, France and other countries, Discussion of these matters is a minefield that could easily bring the forum into jeopardy and is therefore best avoided. Thanks for your understanding. John E. Hi, It is refreshing to note that after ten plus years, the protocol and guidance that we authored* for RoG are still relevant. They seem to have been adopted by other groups and forums. If any justification to restrict further discussion is needed, may I make you aware of this article in the Daily Mail. Click here Cheers JB *David Ingram-Seal of this parish was the other part of the driving force behind RoG. Edited October 15, 2019 by Jack Benson Credit where its due. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 18:47, Jack Benson said: It is refreshing to note that after ten plus years, the protocol and guidance that we authored* for RoG are still relevant. They seem to have been adopted by other groups and forums. Indeed. I distinctly remember creating that myself for a different forum, before RoG came into being. Glad that you still like the words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) On 19/10/2019 at 09:05, Regularity said: Indeed. I distinctly remember creating that myself for a different forum, before RoG came into being. Glad that you still like the words. Please, provide proof of your claim.. David Ingram-Seal, take note..... Edited February 10, 2020 by Jack Benson Truth, honesty etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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