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Thinking the Grey roof colour on this loco is a bit on the dark side, especially when you compare it to the earlier Dutch 37 035, which appears more accurate ?  The roof being the same or very close to the lower bodyside colour. 37 046 in this respect just "looks wrong" to my eye.............however it does run beautifully like a Swiss watch straight out of the box... :good_mini:

 

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From researching various prototypes, my understanding is that the grey on the roof is meant to be a darker shade than that used on the body side, in keeping with the engineers grey livery that 'Dutch' was developed from. Having owned a Bachmann 37035, I too noticed the lighter shade being used on the roof but can't currently comment how accurate it is. 

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Strangely,

if you look at the Fox livery guides, the side grey and roof grey are supposedly the same.

 

therefore I’d think the 37046 is correct ,and 035 roof was based on a photo with a weathered and washed out colour ?

 

But in the photo of 035 the tones seem the same. Therefore I conclude, I have no idea !

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17 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

Strangely,

if you look at the Fox livery guides, the side grey and roof grey are supposedly the same.

 

therefore I’d think the 37046 is correct ,and 035 roof was based on a photo with a weathered and washed out colour ?

 

But in the photo of 035 the tones seem the same. Therefore I conclude, I have no idea !

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Em Rob I'm more confused that ever now !  and that's nothing new......

 

Your photo above clearly shows the roof and lower bodyside being the same colour - RF Grey as does the photo at the top of this thread.

The original drab Departmental/Engineers livery started out as all over R/F Grey. Opinion decided it was just too drab, especially once weathered, a Yellow body stripe was added to brighten it up - hence Dutch livery as it came to be called. However, some not all of these liveried locos got Ex Dark Grey rooves at some point, but not 035 and 046 AFAIK.

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This should help, I have a full set of official BR livery specification sheets as designed by Roundel and as published in 1990...26 of them.

 

This is the type 3 sheet for engineers grey

 

And close up of class 37

 

 

 

it looks good on paper, but grey weathered poorly, so yellow was added but otherwise remained unchanged. These are from an old friend of my fathers who worked in the BR design office for liveries his whole career.

 

first time Ive taken them out of this tube in nearly 30 years.

 

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21 hours ago, adb968008 said:

This should help, I have a full set of official BR livery specification sheets as designed by Roundel and as published in 1990...26 of them.

 

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And close up of class 37

 

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it looks good on paper, but grey weathered poorly, so yellow was added but otherwise remained unchanged. These are from an old friend of my fathers who worked in the BR design office for liveries his whole career.

 

first time Ive taken them out of this tube in nearly 30 years.

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So the roof and side grey look different , but it’s not gonna help unless it tells you what they actually are I guess 

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On 09/10/2019 at 17:21, adb968008 said:

This should help, I have a full set of official BR livery specification sheets as designed by Roundel and as published in 1990...26 of them.

 

This is the type 3 sheet for engineers grey

 

And close up of class 37

 

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it looks good on paper, but grey weathered poorly, so yellow was added but otherwise remained unchanged. These are from an old friend of my fathers who worked in the BR design office for liveries his whole career.

 

first time Ive taken them out of this tube in nearly 30 years.

 


In those sheets it looks like the body side grey is supposed to be lighter than the roof, and that the roof is supposed to be the same colour as the top of the bonnet. In practice it seems that the roof was painted the same colour as the body sides and the bonnet top is darker.

 

But as far as the models are concerned, 37035 looks like it is correct for the actual loco, whereas 37046 matches the specification sheet. That being said the body side and roof colours look a bit too dark, although that could be down to the photo/screen colour balance.

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Hmm,

so 035 is ok it seems , luckily I have one of these converted to 012.

046 - photos of the model show same body side colour as 035 but a darker roof. Can’t see that being right as the model is in 91 condition without a headlight .

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37046 is correct.

This is and was darker on the roof and makes a better subject for renumbering.

This is per spec.

 

37035 is lighter, its journey to Dutch livery was via Railfreight Petroleum, both models are correct, but the real 37035 isn't to spec.

 

Regarding headlights on 046.. (as with all Bachmanns 37’s they seem to make an odd choice in there somewhere, in this case it would appear to be lack of headlight)... it did exist in dutch without headlights for a period..

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 37046 does look a little dark, compared to the 1st photo.  I suppose the next question is to how much sun fade etc., the loco has had!  To throw a curve ball at it - what is 37254 in its weathered guise like?  Also - the duo of Bachmann Class 47's 47346? and 4797x?  I seem to recall Heljan Class 33's having a very dark roof.

 

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C. 

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On 13/10/2019 at 21:29, black and decker boy said:

Presumably the difference is a symptom of a depot repaint vs main works. If depot stores only has R/F grey and no exec dark grey then use that on the roof.

 

37 025 One of the first 37's into Departmental Grey Livery - AFAIK it was a works re-paint

37 188 Perth -  Freshly painted into Dutch livery - a works visit or perhaps at ED ?

Both appear to have the roof and bodysides in the same shade of Grey.

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37188 Dutch 25-8-93 Perth

 

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On 11/10/2019 at 22:08, brushman47544 said:


In those sheets it looks like the body side grey is supposed to be lighter than the roof, and that the roof is supposed to be the same colour as the top of the bonnet.

 

On my screen it views as RF grey for the bodyside, a darker shade for the roof and black for the bonnets (which is what I've always understood the livery to be but as we know, this wasn't always followed).

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Hi Dan,

 

Good weathering job on 37046.

I also like your Warwells with the Land Rover FC101s on. Working on a MoD train myself at the moment with Airfix Scorpions and Oxford FC101s. Have you used anything other than chains to secure the vehicles on the Warwell decks? Wheel chocs etc? Can’t find a lot of photos for reference.

 

Best wishes 

 

John

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2 hours ago, 37501 said:

Hi Dan,

 

Good weathering job on 37046.

I also like your Warwells with the Land Rover FC101s on. Working on a MoD train myself at the moment with Airfix Scorpions and Oxford FC101s. Have you used anything other than chains to secure the vehicles on the Warwell decks? Wheel chocs etc? Can’t find a lot of photos for reference.

 

Best wishes 

 

John

Hi john

I can’t take the credit for the weathering on 37046. It was done for me.

do no why I won’t weather new locos.

But feel very happy building and painting kits or weathering new rolling stock. No chops fitted yet.

 

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Hi Dan,

 

I have weathered a number of Bachmann Class 37s and always find that an enjoyable and satisfying task. A bit daunting the first time at the thought of throwing paint at a new model. I use a combination of airbrush, thinned washes, dry brushing and powders. 
have finally found pics of Land Rover 110 vehicles on Warwells. They have chains and small triangular chocs against the wheels. Will make these up from thin aluminium strip and plastic card.

Keep up the good work.

 
John

 

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