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On ‎08‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 22:04, Nearholmer said:

The SR did a better job: they took the centre axles off, and used them as LWB four-wheeler PP sets.

 

I don’t know about other SR constituents, but the Brighton finished off its 6-wheeler fleet by putting pairs of bodies onto bogie underframes, to make three car sets, brake third-composite-brake third, which ran well into SR days

 

Do you happen to know when they were converted from PP sets to beach huts and bonfires? @Graham_Muz suggested that they didn't last well into the 30s on the mainland (Hattons' only SR example is for IoW in the 30s), and SEMGonline doesn't show them.

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Very good move to have the brake third with the three compartments aligned with exactly half a coach, Dave, it will allow coach bashers to produce six compartment thirds quite easily. The GER, LSWR, and Irish GS&WR come to mind.

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7 hours ago, Wickham Green said:

That's VERY pre-grouping ! .................................. anyone know anything about panelling styles on chariots ?

 

Judging by this, round-top panelling not unremeniscent of Metropolitan stock, or early Midland pullmans.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_horse_in_Britain#/media/File:Anglo-Saxon_Chariot_10th_century.jpg

 

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4 minutes ago, BackRoomBoffin said:

 

Judging by this, round-top panelling not unremeniscent of Metropolitan stock, or early Midland pullmans.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_horse_in_Britain#/media/File:Anglo-Saxon_Chariot_10th_century.jpg

 

 

Avoid scaling from a drawing; always rely on marked dimensions.

 

Are those Mansell wheels?

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7 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

Having read it a few times, my reaction to Compound's 'long post':

 

- The lav windows would be frosted, but there would not be droplights.

 

- I feel the windows in the luggage doors on the centre luggage compo would probably have droplights (as per the Brake 3rd). Admittedly, this is on the cusp of overlapping eras, but droplights on luggage doors can be seen on an LA9-style U20 as early as 1885, as per melmerby's post. (Question: when did bars/grilles started to be fitted to luggage/brake doors?)

 

- I suggest duckets should be non-mirrored (unless the ducket is on the vehicle centreline, in which case the guard's doors should not be mirrored).
 

 

Not a criticism at all but just a comment that these preferences show @Miss Prism's Great Western interests - absolutely nothing wrong with that. My position in favour of droplights for lavatory windows and blank luggage doors (except where also a guard's compartment) reflects Midland (and North Eastern) practice. The Midland didn't do duckets at this period, except on the 25' 4-wheeled full brakes. Just goes to show how hard it is to be "typical".

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

You ain't seen nuffin' yet...

 

Guide to panelling dimensions is out to review.

 

Just cleared the kids out of the house and poured myself a large glass of Ozzy red; you will have my undivided attention ...  

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Not a criticism at all but just a comment that these preferences show @Miss Prism's Great Western interests - absolutely nothing wrong with that. My position in favour of droplights for lavatory windows and blank luggage doors (except where also a guard's compartment) reflects Midland (and North Eastern) practice. The Midland didn't do duckets at this period, except on the 25' 4-wheeled full brakes. Just goes to show how hard it is to be "typical".

It is inevitable that those providing proposed dimensions to Hatton's will do so based upon their own knowledge and preferences. Whether the eventual design frozen by Hatton's is more or less of a camel than their original design will only be obvious to a few. 

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36 minutes ago, Ronny said:

 Shame we have to wait so long to see them in the flesh

 

What corners do you want them to cut in the product development process? 

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12 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

It is inevitable that those providing proposed dimensions to Hatton's will do so based upon their own knowledge and preferences. Whether the eventual design frozen by Hatton's is more or less of a camel than their original design will only be obvious to a few. 

 

Well, I'm trying to take a catholic approach, having fed through on LB&SCR, GWR, LWSR and NER measurements!  Others are collecting data for these and other companies, so I do feel that reasonable coverage is being provided to Hattons.  Compound is working hard on this with a view to being typically prototypical; rest assured, no one is pushing a particular company's agenda here.

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I'm mainly watching the assembled throng with awe, but with regard to Saxon chariot styles, it's worth pointing out that the Saxon kingdoms can be divided in the early kingdoms, the so-called Heptarchy, the period of VIking invasion, and the unified kingdom of England (ie pre-grouping, post-grouping, wartime, and nationalisation). So the 10th century drawing I posted is OT, as it's post-grouping (I think).

I'll get me coat.

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1 minute ago, BackRoomBoffin said:

I'm mainly watching the assembled throng with awe, but with regard to Saxon chariot styles, it's worth pointing out that the Saxon kingdoms can be divided in the early kingdoms, the so-called Heptarchy, the period of VIking invasion, and the unified kingdom of England (ie pre-grouping, post-grouping, wartime, and nationalisation). So the 10th century drawing I posted is OT, as it's post-grouping (I think).

I'll get me coat.

 

But post-grouping is off-topic, I'm afraid. 

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4 hours ago, Hattons Dave said:

 

H4-6W-T3_v4_dimensions-01.jpg.f55d630ac60c812520614ba134d9c9dd.jpg

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

Take out one compartment and turn the luggage and guard's end around and you have S&DJR's 4 wheeled No. 33 and I wouldn't have to carve away the big GWR grab handles as I should have done when Triang clerestory bashing all those years ago! The current end pair of panels would be a bit too wide, but if the Triangs were good enough....

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I don't see the need for the separate guard's door. It's not a very large van section in the vehicle anyway. I think a dual-purpose guard's / luggage door forming half of the pair of doors would be seen as less wasteful of space in the van as well as probably cheaper to build and maintain, an ever important consideration for the less affluent of the pre-group companies....

 

Still taller panels in the waistband much preferred - at least tall enough to allow a hint of a straight section to the vertical moulding, rather than fully rounded ends to each panel. As a compromise, panels slightly taller and with slightly more tightly rounded corners could be tried.

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55 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

 

Well, I'm trying to take a catholic approach, having fed through on LB&SCR, GWR, LWSR and NER measurements!  Others are collecting data for these and other companies, so I do feel that reasonable coverage is being provided to Hattons.  Compound is working hard on this with a view to being typically prototypical; rest assured, no one is pushing a particular company's agenda here.

It certainly wasn't a criticism, merely an observation on process. And I, and most others, would be unlikely to spot the Company influence anyway. I am in no way less likely to be a purchaser than before. These will be fun. 

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