Steamport Southport Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnR said: Fascinating - I've just doubled checked, and the Hattons BR Crimson livery examples are numbered as per the Balerno coaches. I hadn't even thought to check. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnR said: Fascinating - I've just doubled checked, and the Hattons BR Crimson livery examples are numbered as per the Balerno coaches. These appear to be made to satisfy a ‘Hiraeth’ in our hobby, Hatton’s Genesis coaches are a different generation of carriages from 1920’s carriages, also there’s nothing rtr to pull Balerno coaches. Hopefully the Batch 3 Caledonian Railway 4 wheel carriages will be done in a more typical CR 4 wheel carriage livery. Brian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, turbos said: These appear to be made to satisfy a ‘Hiraeth’ in our hobby, Hatton’s Genesis coaches are a different generation of carriages from 1920’s carriages, also there’s nothing rtr to pull Balerno coaches. Hopefully the Batch 3 Caledonian Railway 4 wheel carriages will be done in a more typical CR 4 wheel carriage livery. Brian. Everything you said is true. But that wont stop me (and others) buying them and running them on Scottish themed layouts.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, No Decorum said: I am on less sure ground with the Terriers but I believe that Hornby had the research done. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Are you dreaming, squire(s)? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, JohnR said: Everything you said is true. But that wont stop me (and others) buying them and running them on Scottish themed layouts.... They could look good on any pre-Beeching semi-forgotten branch line, I think Hattons numbering and marketing them as stock for a slightly obscure specialist branch line is unwise. They should be easy enough to renumber and heavily weather. Hopefully they’ll sell as well as all the other liveries and help fund the future batches. Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Edwardian said: Hornby had the research done... By Fellows of All Souls, do you mean? [Photo taken from New College bell tower.] 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I think @Edwardian is offering a visual clue - the research was done by Oxford (Rail), not Oxford itself (but perhaps you knew that already - if so, sorry). Cheers, 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Philou said: I think @Edwardian is offering a visual clue - the research was done by Oxford (Rail), not Oxford itself (but perhaps you knew that already - if so, sorry). Quite so. He does not write for such dull elves as as have not a great deal of ingenuity themselves. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cofga Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 19 hours ago, Compound2632 said: I'm afraid the rate of survival of 6-wheelers post Great War is a measure of the poverty of the railway company. Interesting then that Hatton’s are producing the SR 4 and 6 wheel stock in the post 1923 Maunsell olive green livery. I guess they would have done Malacite if they thought folks would buy them. In their defense the formation they show is for an IOW 1930s train which seems accurate enough. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Cofga said: Interesting then that Hatton’s are producing the SR 4 and 6 wheel stock in the post 1923 Maunsell olive green livery. I guess they would have done Malacite if they thought folks would buy them. In their defense the formation they show is for an IOW 1930s train which seems accurate enough. I believe there were a few rakes of 4/6 wheelers on the SR (mainland) that just scraped into the thirties on hop-pickers duties, excursions etc. The Bluebell have a couple of 6 wheelers with 1935 withdrawal dates. The LCDR 4-wheelers sent over to the IOW mostly lasted until 36/37, with a couple of exceptions that lasted through the war in parcels use. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Nick C said: I believe there were a few rakes of 4/6 wheelers on the SR (mainland) that just scraped into the thirties on hop-pickers duties, excursions etc. The Bluebell have a couple of 6 wheelers with 1935 withdrawal dates. . Yes some of the 4 / 6 wheeled coaches did end their life as 'Hop pickers specials' - however such vehicles only used for a few weeks a year (and by, how shall we put it, the less well off sections of society* for whom this would also be their 'holiday' of sorts) would not have been painted in fully lined out olive! Such stock would have been in scruffy plain / faded Olive by the 1930s rather than the smart representation seen on the Hatton's vehicles. * https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2019/05/30/the-hop-pickers-holiday/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, phil-b259 said: Yes some of the 4 / 6 wheeled coaches did end their life as 'Hop pickers specials' - however such vehicles only used for a few weeks a year (and by, how shall we put it, the less well off sections of society* for whom this would also be their 'holiday' of sorts) would not have been painted in fully lined out olive! Such stock would have been in scruffy plain / faded Olive by the 1930s rather than the smart representation seen on the Hatton's vehicles. * https://blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2019/05/30/the-hop-pickers-holiday/ That's true - however the IoW stock was certainly painted in fully lined livery - there's plenty of photos. Other stock that was expected to last past around 1926 or so would have been repainted after the grouping as well, and may well have been lined - even if it was later relegated to hop-picking duties etc. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I suspect that parishioners will not lack the imagination necessary to come up with reasons to include short coaches on Grouping era layouts. 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 Goodness, Edwardian, wonderful photos! Can you give us years when these photos were taken, please? I'm particularly taken by the three axle coach sitting in Edinburgh Waverley - third photo down - taken some time in the 1920s or 30s, I'd guess. You don't get any clues from the buildings (Forsyth's department store at left, North British Hotel, now Balmoral, to right) because they are still there today! John S 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Edwardian said: I suspect that parishioners will not lack the imagination necessary to come up with reasons to include short coaches on Grouping era layouts. That's a nice selection. Do we know what the location of the ex-LC & DR camping coaches was ? I know that there was a couple at Amberley. All the best Ray 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 and there's always the grounded coach body as a chicken shed or whatever. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: That's a nice selection. Do we know what the location of the ex-LC & DR camping coaches was ? I know that there was a couple at Amberley. All the best Ray Don't go to Amberley, 'cos I'm sure I heard something on the radio about you having to quarantine afterwards. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: and there's always the grounded coach body as a chicken shed or whatever. Can't people just build the Ratio kit for that? £6 or £30? It's basically about six main parts that virtually anyone can make. https://www.hattons.co.uk/40654/ratio_501ratio_grounded_coach_body_plastic_kit/stockdetail.aspx Jason 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I imagine that some people can even make a hideous mess of gluing six simple main parts together. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Can confirm 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Yup, once I was building one and spilt a bottle of plastic weld over my cutting mat. Safe to say the parts were wiped off as they were eaten by teh solvent! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The attempt to contain or mop-up the solvent before it damages anything else can be quite frantic, but it does help to teach you to stand the bottle in a very stable additional container. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, gr.king said: The attempt to contain or mop-up the solvent before it damages anything else can be quite frantic, but it does help to teach you to stand the bottle in a very stable additional container. Yes, yes - but knowing what to do and actually doing it are quite different things in this world. 7 3 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 hours ago, gr.king said: I imagine that some people can even make a hideous mess of gluing six simple main parts together. Me for one.... Les 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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