JST Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I know I saw a number of these locos back in the late 50s and early 60s (I still have my Ian Allen "Combined Volumes" from that era) but the question is where? I just can't remember. I lived in Exeter but travelled (trainspotting) over the south of the country as far as Bournemouth, Southhampton and Eastleigh but I am sure I saw one standing in one of the centre roads of Devonport Kings Road station when travelling from Exeter to Plymouth on the old SR route. Is this possible or did I dream it? The reason I ask is although my layout is not very prototypical I have a rule about locos - if it didn't, at some point run through Exeter St Davids, I can't have one - and I rather like the new Terriers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Not in the 50's or 60's but the LSWR had 2 second hand (A1 not A1X) for the Lyme Regis line, one of these spent some a period as station pilot at Exeter (LSWR). This may well have banked trains from St Davids and the LSWR livery is an available option. I doubt if any Terriers found there way around there in later years. The admiralty had some in WW1, these I believe were used in Scotland, but again not in years. The GWR inherited 2 from the WC&P Rly, where these were used I dont know (1 at Taunton for a while?), these were gone by early 50's. What you may have seen is an E1R, the E1 was a larger loco than a Terrier but looked very similar, several were modified by the SR with a larger bunker and a rear pony truck as class E1R. These were used throughout the West Country. Peter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2019 Pics and info at SEMG Online: A1X: http://www.semgonline.com/steam/a1x_01.html (go to Data page for loco listing inc. dates etc) E1/R: http://www.semgonline.com/steam/e1r_class.html (includes pics of locos at Exeter St. Davids) Feature index for loco classes etc. : http://www.semgonline.com/photoind.html?LMCL=PNhp9i (scroll down for locos) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Yes, the E1/Rs were very common for banking between the Exeter stations at one time until superseded by larger Z and W tanks. The other 'lookalike' which must have passed that way a number of times, in earlier years, was the 'T' class 500S employed at Meldon quarry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Check for details of where they went in Bradley. Everywhere. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted October 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Check for details of where they went in Bradley. Everywhere. ..... still hanging on in quiet desperation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 It being English, doubtless so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2019 Far away, across the fields... Not sure if A1 or A1x, but didn’t one go to Paris for an exhibition and average 60mph from Dieppe? And of course some went to Butlins... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) The one from Butlitz came back off holiday and is now on holiday on the Isle of Wight. Some went to Scotland according to a Terrier thread on a railway staff page on FB, others went abroad during WW1, one is in Canada. I think there was 1 in stock on the SNCB after WW2. Edited October 15, 2019 by roythebus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, roythebus said: The one from Butlitz came back off holiday and is now on holiday on the Isle of Wight. Some went to Scotland according to a Terrier thread on a railway staff page on FB, others went abroad during WW1, one is in Canada. I think there was 1 in stock on the SNCB after WW2. Butlins had three of them. Brighton, Martello and Knowle. Brighton was the one that went to Paris and won the Gold Medal. I think the furthest they got was Argentina. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Steamport Southport said: I think the furthest they got was Argentina. Jason Jeez.... I didn't know the SR had a branch line that long! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, JST said: Jeez.... I didn't know the SR had a branch line that long! Or tunnel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2019 On 14/10/2019 at 12:37, IWCR said: Not in the 50's or 60's but the LSWR had 2 second hand (A1 not A1X) for the Lyme Regis line, one of these spent some a period as station pilot at Exeter (LSWR). This may well have banked trains from St Davids and the LSWR livery is an available option. I doubt if any Terriers found there way around there in later years. The admiralty had some in WW1, these I believe were used in Scotland, but again not in years. The GWR inherited 2 from the WC&P Rly, where these were used I dont know (1 at Taunton for a while?), these were gone by early 50's. What you may have seen is an E1R, the E1 was a larger loco than a Terrier but looked very similar, several were modified by the SR with a larger bunker and a rear pony truck as class E1R. These were used throughout the West Country. Peter I doubt the LSWR Terrier did any banking - they probably had much more suitable locos. They bought 2 so that there was cover if one needed to go to Exmouth Jn - and I believe 2 were used double headed on occasion for heavy trains on the Lyme regis branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 A LSWR G6 would be a more likely ‘cop’ - it might be mistaken for a terrier at a very quick glimpse; although bigger, and different in many ways, it does have that “old tank engine” look. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Thanks everyone for all the info. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 hours ago, JST said: Jeez.... I didn't know the SR had a branch line that long! It spent most of its life closed due to unforeseen, intractable flooding problems 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Butlins had three of them. Brighton, Martello and Knowle. Brighton was the one that went to Paris and won the Gold Medal. I think the furthest they got was Argentina. Jason Canada being about half the distance to Argentina so agreed! And I'm pretty sure the Canada one has never steamed there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 No. 'Little Tich' has never steamed across the pond .......... about time he/she/it joined the repatriation queue : would look good back in Wainwright green ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucoops said: Canada being about half the distance to Argentina so agreed! And I'm pretty sure the Canada one has never steamed there? This side of Canada is about half the distance to Argentina, but the other side is much further away... I went to Montreal from Heathrow once, a place I think of as 'this side'. The Great Circle route took us in over Labrador, and it took an aircraft travelling at 600-odd mph 2 hours to reach Montreal from the coast. Canada is BIG!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2019 I tried googling Inverness terrier but the result was unhelpful. Am I dreaming that one was loaned to the Highland during the Great War - am I confusing this with the ones that went to the Admiralty? Inverness was home to the three proto-Terriers Balnain, Lochgorm, and St Martin's. Here's the former Shadwell looking very sorry up on the scarp of the Cotswolds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 You may be getting confused with the 'D1's that the LMS borrowed in the Second war ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2019 Bradley records that 3 A1s were sold to the Admiralty for use at Inverness, being 637, 681 and 683, while 1 A1, 638, and 1 A1X, 679, were similarly sold for Admiralty use at Invergordon. These sales took place in Jan and Feb of 1918, costing £1200 apiece. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 As to the WW1 Admiralty ones: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) No. 57 Thames Sold for £670 to Pauling & Co., May 1902. Used in the construction of the Northolt - High Wycombe extension of the Great Central Railway's Chiltern Line. Sold to La Plata Tramways, Argentina, 1909 No. 52 Surrey Sold for £670 to Pauling & Co., September 1902 . Used in the construction of the Northolt - High Wycombe extension of the Great Central Railway's Chiltern Line. Sold to La Plate Tramways, Argentina, 1909. I guess that these terriers got the furthest away! I wonder how long they lasted and if there are any photos of them in Argentina. David Edited October 20, 2019 by David Bigcheeseplant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted October 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 22:44, JST said: Jeez.... I didn't know the SR had a branch line that long! And you thought the Withered Arm ended at Padstow. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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