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53 minutes ago, Otis JB said:

is anyone else a little apprehensive about Rails not deciding on a price and not planning to for the foreseeable future?

 

It's quite understandable when no-one knows what the exchange rate will be like early next year dependent on a big game of Deal or No Deal.

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8 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

It's quite understandable when no-one knows what the exchange rate will be like early next year dependent on a big game of Deal or No Deal.


Although, to be fair Andy, there are means to make that irrelevant. Currency can be bought and sold in advance, effectively setting the exchange rate that you will get now. 
 

What the impact of setting the price now would have on sales I don’t know, but I would predict a positive one. 
 

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4 minutes ago, GNR Dave said:

So does the 'sub £200' price statement no longer stand ? 

 

That statement is not quite that black and white thought is it? It actually says "our aim is to produce the model for less than £200 (subject to £ / USA $ exchange rates on delivery)".

 

So it is an aim and exchange rates "on delivery" is quoted. To my mind that suggests we don't get a firm cost until much closer to them being released, possibly even at release.

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But as part of the Kader family, Bachmann are in a different position.  Quite possibly they don't make staged payments and certainly buying currency in advance just costs them money* - which means it will cost us money.  

 

* To no benefit to either Bachmann or Kader since they are operating internal trading.

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Rails are in business to eat, so it will cost what it costs them plus some profit. The £ worth of any item, be it model loco or anything else, is subject to individual taste and circs, surely. If £200 is a barrier, and after all it's just a number, then we have to do without. If the model is of sufficient quality it will sell well to those who can afford it. I expect to be among them.

 

Selling a kidney, or your grandchildren into slavery, may release the capital you need, but neither option should be adopted without due thought. 

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2 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

Rails are in business to eat, so it will cost what it costs them plus some profit. The £ worth of any item, be it model loco or anything else, is subject to individual taste and circs, surely. If £200 is a barrier, and after all it's just a number, then we have to do without. If the model is of sufficient quality it will sell well to those who can afford it. I expect to be among them.

 

Selling a kidney, or your grandchildren into slavery, may release the capital you need, but neither option should be adopted without due thought. 

How many grandchildren per D?

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4 hours ago, CUCKOO LINE said:

If stage payments are made to the manufacturer then the risk is not on the final payment but spread out over time. It would seem a bit strange as other unreleased Dapol products seem to have a price quoted well before release, as do Hornby, Bachmann, Heljan, Kernow etc

 

Payments are doubtlessly based on milestones. Getting tooling done is one big milestone, production is another huge milestone. They will be almost certainly be forking out a 6 figure sum just for the production of these models. A resource that they could not really afford to tie down now by buying currency right away as there will be no return until we all pay for the delivered models (our deposits help a little but don't cover much).

 

Normally the GBP is quite stable compared to most currencies but the we have two big factors which could affect the GBPs strength one way or the other depending on how these events evolve between now and when the models are produced.

 

I have 4 of these models on order. Not cheap.

 

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5 hours ago, Oliver Rails said:

Thanks to everyone for their input and observations. I can acknowledge that each issue has been noted.

This was of course one of the reasons we publicised and indeed the purpose of the samples themselves.

 

Many of the issues had already been noted, however for reassurance I would just like to clarify the following;

  • The SR Olive Green is incorrect but will be corrected in the final model.
  • On the SECR, the bright red will be more of a darker red when produced. The crest quality will also be improved.
  • The BR handrails will be black. White lining will be on the tender

 

Thanks

Oliver @RailsOfSheffield

 

I don't think the scraped beading on the wartime grey locomotive looks too realistic in these photo's. Any chance of a color closer to brass?

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5 hours ago, Oliver Rails said:

Thanks to everyone for their input and observations. I can acknowledge that each issue has been noted.

This was of course one of the reasons we publicised and indeed the purpose of the samples themselves.

 

Many of the issues had already been noted, however for reassurance I would just like to clarify the following;

  • The SR Olive Green is incorrect but will be corrected in the final model.
  • On the SECR, the bright red will be more of a darker red when produced. The crest quality will also be improved.
  • The BR handrails will be black. White lining will be on the tender

 

Thanks

Oliver @RailsOfSheffield

Thanks Oliver

 

Will you also include black handrails on the SOUTHERN wartime black version?

 

Kind regards

 

Andy.

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Looking at the SE&CR version I note that the lining on the cab front should carry on down over the top surface of the splashers. If Rails want a copy of the Ashford works livery diagram I would be happy to supply it. 

 

John Arkell

Membership secretary, South Eastern & Chatham Railway Society.

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Guest Locomotion No. 3

Thank you for yours and others observations regarding the SE&CR liveried locomotives No’s 737 (Locomotion) and 488 (Rails).

 

The factory have advised us that it is impossible for them to accurately line the top surface of the splashers. Due to the shape of the splasher it would need to be printed in a number of passes. Because of this there would be a detectable overlap/slight misalignment in the lining at the joins. We therefore decided at the review meeting that this would have to be omitted.

 

Dennis Lovett

Exclusive Models Marketing Executive

Locomotion Models

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6 hours ago, Locomotion No. 3 said:

Thank you for yours and others observations regarding the SE&CR liveried locomotives No’s 737 (Locomotion) and 488 (Rails).

 

The factory have advised us that it is impossible for them to accurately line the top surface of the splashers. Due to the shape of the splasher it would need to be printed in a number of passes. Because of this there would be a detectable overlap/slight misalignment in the lining at the joins. We therefore decided at the review meeting that this would have to be omitted.

 

Dennis Lovett

Exclusive Models Marketing Executive

Locomotion Models

 

 That's a bit disappointing I saw this on the photo and looked a bit unfinished not something I would be expecting from a high end model... 

Surely there is a way around the complex shape having seen various livery applications at factors... 

 

I am starting to have concerns... 

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6 hours ago, Bluebell Model Railway said:

Surely there is a way around the complex shape

There is . .

13 hours ago, Locomotion No. 3 said:

it would need to be printed in a number of passes

But as Dennis said it risks a more noticeable misalignment, I guess due to the convex and concave surfaces, so they’ve had to make a decision within a budget where people are already fretting about what the price will be. 
No doubt a separate transfer from a specialist could be commissioned but that’s not practical in mass production without a price penalty. 

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8 hours ago, Bluebell Model Railway said:

 

 That's a bit disappointing I saw this on the photo and looked a bit unfinished not something I would be expecting from a high end model... 

Surely there is a way around the complex shape having seen various livery applications at factors... 

 

I am starting to have concerns... 

If you know of another RTR D - and I don't - then comparison will be made, no doubt. But whether it costs £200 or even £250 or more, it will still be the best and most affordable representation we are likely to see for the foreseeable future. 

 

Agonising over details of forthcoming models has become an online sport. Put the D to work on a layout with some birdcages and it will look superb. 

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9 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

Agonising over details of forthcoming models has become an online sport.

What makes me chuckle is the frequent moan “but I shouldn’t have to on an rtr model” followed by, in print or suggestion, “it’s beyond my skills” . . too ;) 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, PaulRhB said:

What makes me chuckle is the frequent moan “but I shouldn’t have to on an rtr model” followed by, in print or suggestion, “it’s beyond my skills” . . too ;) 

 

 

 

Why does the latter make you chuckle? My fingers don't work very well as I get older and fine detail is unfortunately now beyond me. Not funny at all from my perspective.


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16 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

Why does the latter make you chuckle? My fingers don't work very well as I get older and fine detail is unfortunately now beyond me. Not funny at all from my perspective.


Roy

 

In my case, dexterity is failing more rapidly than eyesight, so fine detail is "viewable but not do-able". 

 

Unfortunately, now that the omission of the lining on top of the splashers has been pointed out, I now can't stop noticing the lining on the cab front suddenly stopping somewhere it shouldn't.  But where would be a "better" place for it to stop?  Adjacent to the "point" in the lining on the lower front cab side perhaps?  Looking at the photo of the real thing in the NRM on page 1 of this thread it might be possible to devise something more "natural-looking" than the current abrupt end. 

 

Also from the photo of the real thing in the NRM, shouldn't the lining on the smokebox saddle extend back to the front splasher on the model - or is that too tricky to get "right"?  (that's supposed to be a genuine question to those who know the intricacies of the printing, not a nit-pick...)

 

Whatever is done it will still be way better than I could manage, so my pre-orders (one in SE&CR and one in BR Black) are staying...

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