RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2021 Perhaps I’m just being blind but can someone please point out the difference between the scraped beading and the non scraped beading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: Perhaps I’m just being blind but can someone please point out the difference between the scraped beading and the non scraped beading. It's where the paint has been scraped off the brass beading strip on the driving wheel splashes. Can be seen on the SECR Grey and SR Olive liveries. My understanding was originally these liveries had the beading painted over but some crews who took pride in their engines scraped the paint off the beading and kept it polished as it was originally. Edited May 17, 2021 by Pre Grouping fan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) The SECR grey livery has the paint on the splasher beading scraped back to show the brass, which (as I understand it) wasn't universally done... EDIT Beaten to it by @Pre Grouping fan, by a matter of seconds... Edited May 17, 2021 by 3rd Rail Exile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Georgeconna said: Very nice! Seems a wee bit of height difference on the loco and Tender. Is this a pre production jobbie? Looking at the pictures of each model on rails website there is a slight differences in height. Notable is 488, the Rails SECR green version you can see the in the image showing the cab interior that the body doesn't sit flat on the chassis which I would make one side appear higher or lower than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Robert John Davis said: I have a SECR green Class D w/sound on order from Rails and rake of Genesis carriages on order from Hattons. I am thrilled with the way the Class D model looks. The sounds are great (love the whistles) except for the exhaust "chuff." It sounds very much like white noise static rather than a defined sound. Maybe that is more an artifact of the mic used for the video and not how the locomotive sounds IRL? According to the Rails site there is a sugar cube speaker in the locomotive and a bass reflex speaker in the tender. With that, I would expect some more definition and heft to the exhaust. If the video is accurate, here's hoping Rails finds a way to improve the chuff. But even better, let's hope the issue is that the video doesn't do it justice they way it is. Rob I thought the exhaust started well when the loco was ‘light engine’ moving slowly but agree as soon as it opened up it sounded more like sandpapering than a loco exhaust 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Oliver Rails said: The models are currently on the sea and expected end May / early June! Hurray! What sort of DCC chip do these take, 18pin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam here! Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Oliver, these are looking fantastic, really looking forward to both the SE&CR green ones. Thanks for keeping us updated, could I ask what are in the optional extra details (the accessory pack)? Callum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flittersnoop Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Sorry to grumble, but I've phoned Rails three times to change my order for the D class, and still it hasn't changed on the "My Rails" web page! Every time I just get an apology and a promise that someone in the IT dept will sort it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_C Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Can anybody tell me if these sound files are actually of a genuine D Class or taken from something similar. Paul C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, paulcornish said: Can anybody tell me if these sound files are actually of a genuine D Class or taken from something similar. Paul C. I don't know what the file is but it's almost definitely not a D class. 737 hasn't run for decades. Probably a generic 4-4-0 file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venator Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 The only sound recordings I know of a D class working are the various argo transacord tracks for southern steam. One of them has a D working on the Reading line and sounding very impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) On 17/05/2021 at 16:15, Georgeconna said: Seems a wee bit of height difference on the loco and Tender. I should think the model represents a tender full of water and coal, so down on its springs a bit. Edited May 18, 2021 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Compound2632 said: I should think the model represents a tender full of water and coal, so down on its springs a bit. Good Answer but Full load pictured on these two examples. Usually Edwardian would be having a fanny attack about these little things. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Looks like the tender is slightly higher on that first picture. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Georgeconna said: Good Answer but Full load pictured on these two examples. Usually Edwardian would be having a fanny attack about these little things. I hate to say it for such a beautiful loco, so diligently produced, but I agree with you, this appears to be a flaw in the model. You can see it fairly consistently in the recently released photos and videos. Not always so obvious but that might be due to track undulations. (Whereas if you look at photos of the prototype the running plates and valances of loco and tender almost always line up.) When she's standing on a flat surface you could say that the misalignment is due to different flange depths but we can also see the same thing when she's standing on track. https://railsofsheffield.com/products/39190/Dapol-4s-027-001-oo-gauge-wainwright-d-class-secr-green-4-4-0-steam-locomotive-no-488-pre-grouping-silk-finish- Maybe the samples have incorrectly sized tender wheels...? However, I fear it will be too late for Rails/Dapol to do anything about it now. It will be up to us to see whether it's a problem that we can live with when we actually gets the models ourselves and if not to work out solutions for ourselves. P.S. If you want Edwardian to have a heart attack about such things you need to "@" him, like this: @Edwardian Edited May 19, 2021 by Harlequin 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) Apart from the unnecessary ribbing of James, I do think that worrying over small differences in ride height between engine and tender is misplaced. It did occur to me after posting my observation on the tender, that a working locomotive would have a boiler-full of water and be down on its springs as much as the tender, compared to the preserved locomotive which is of course empty fore and aft. But I think one needs to do a comprehensive review of photos of the engines in service, rather than relying on just a couple of photos, before one could make a statistically-convincing case that tender and engine should always sit at exactly the same height! Of course, one single photograph is enough to disprove that tidy theory. Edited May 19, 2021 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Apart from the unnecessary ribbing of James, I do think that worrying over small differences in ride height between engine and tender is misplaced. It did occur to me after posting my observation on the tender, that a working locomotive would have a boiler-full of water and be down on its springs as much as the tender, compared to the preserved locomotive which is of course empty fore and aft. But I think one needs to do a comprehensive review of photos of the engines in service, rather than relying on just a couple of photos, before one could make a statistically-convincing case that tender and engine should always sit at exactly the same height! Of course, one single photograph is enough to disprove that tidy theory. To be fair to Mr Conna, he has never, to my knowledge, been guilty of tact. We are here straying into matters - the D made flesh - that stray far beyond my input, however, it was not something I was expecting to see. As I recall CAD reviewed for the loco and tenders were generally separate, but neither the livery charts nor the first livery samples (to my recollection) showed any or any obvious discrepancy. One might speculate whether tyres fitted to the coupled wheel have any effect. But I think you are likely to be correct; I have seen pictures of the running plates at the same height, of the tender being higher and of the loco being higher. 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted May 19, 2021 Author Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2021 Will say more later as I'm out on the road but calm down, some of the pics are of samples where the bodies have been on and off. 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2021 Tender sitting lower than the engine as often as not in that gallery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 I think the photos James posted show up, down or level are all correct so . . 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) I have been contacted. Basically, Andy Y has the right of it. This was a sample on which the body has been repeatedly taken on and off and has not been refitted quite correctly. In common with the earlier samples I mentioned, the latest samples all show that the tender and loco running plates are level, save for this example, incorrectly re-attached. A survey of the photographs shows, as I say, variations in height on the prototype, presumably, as Stephen says, due to loading, but the correct position for the RTR model is to represent the running plates as level, as the prototypes also frequently appeared, and it does. Thus, I am happy to say this issue is a non-issue, a complete red herring. As has been said, nothing to see here. These are some of the other current samples again. Edited May 19, 2021 by Edwardian spelling! 6 3 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Edwardian said: I have been contacted. Basically, Andy Y has the right of it. This was a sample on which the body has been repeatedly taken on and off and has not been refitted quite correctly. In common with the earlier samples I mentioned, the latest samples all show that the tender and loco running plates are level, save for this example, incorrectly. A survey of the photographs shows, as I say, variations in height on the prototype, presumable, as Stephen says, due to loading, but the correct position for the RTR model is to represent the running plates as level, as the prototypes also frequently appeared, and it does. Thus, I am happy to say this issue is a non-issue, a complete red herring. As has been said, nothing to see here. These are some of the other current samples again. Wonderful! Thank you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Serenity restored. Thank you, gentlemen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Serenity restored. Thank you, gentlemen. Those of us with Bachmann LNER Pacific’s couldn’t see what the problem was in any case lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Edwardian said: ........ A survey of the photographs shows, as I say, variations in height on the prototype, ........ Perhaps we should be given the option of high, level or low tender for our models ............ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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