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My first 488 had to be returned because it was not sound fitted and I had upgraded to sound. My replacement has arrived and I am very impressed. The sound quality is very good and makes me regret that I didn’t get a sound-fitted mogul.

 

The locomotive runs beautifully and is very smooth at low speed. I swapped the rubber-shod driving wheels for the others thoughtfully provided. As has been observed, it’s fiddly. The coupling rods have some sort of matt finish on them and I can’t imagine that before the First World War, the rods would be anything but highly polished. The matt finish (is it a brushed finish?) didn’t want to come off, so I just reversed the rods, which are polished on the other side. In this state, 488 hauls two sets of Birdcages in great style but bear in mind that my layout is flat and is laid to 6' radius curves. I added a set of Southern liveried Birdcages and 488 slipped a bit but still managed to haul all nine coaches round the layout. I only want to haul six, so I’m well content with that.

 

The guardirons are metal and beautifully lined. One came off and I was lucky to find it. To fit one, put it into its hole, then ease it forward until it meets the back of the buffer beam – do it by feel. I suggest gluing not only the peg for the hole but also the part which contacts the bufferbeam for security. Do this, and the bogie wheels won’t contact them.

 

Dapol was criticised for the brightness of the fire in the Terriers and seems to have gone to the opposite extreme here, with a fire which is very dim. Peer closely into the beautifully decorated cab and what seems to be a red wire is highly visible in the firehole. It was same on both the models I received.

 

I’ve struggled with cab doors from other manufacturers which don’t quite fit. On 488 they are fitted with fishtails like those on an NEM coupling. Delightfully simple and easy!

 

I have always felt that consistency is important on models. I think Hornby went a little awry by plating the dome on the Wainwright H but then applying sparkly paint to the safety valve mount. With 488, that has been avoided but a metal copper-topped chimney, as on the Terriers, would have been a nice enhancement.

 

The cosmetic coupling hooks are a bit of a let down. After going to the trouble of providing a flat cross member to replace the NEM socket on the bogie, the front cries out for a full screw-link coupling. The hooks come out easily enough (useful for painting) and I found that drilling the hole out to 1·3 mm held a Hornby R7200 three-link coupler securely. The Hornby coupler has a square metal shaft and is very fiddly to file down, so enlarging the hole is a good lazy option. Sometimes, a square peg in a round hole works!

 

Hornby’s coupler is black, so I painted the rear hook black to match. Dapol’s smokebox door handles, like the hooks, seem to be self-coloured plastic intended to represent polished steel. Unfortunately, they are rather translucent, so I’ve painted them black. Not quite right but the lesser of two evils, I feel.

 

There is no coal depicted on the shovelling plate, which is something adding real coal offers the opportunity to correct.

 

A beautiful little machine. Thanks, Rails and Dapol!

 

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On 07/07/2021 at 10:17, CUCKOO LINE said:

It was restored in 1960 and placed in the Clapham Museum. There are apparently photos of it there in the 1960s, although they are on a pay for them website !

Photo of 737 at Clapham Museum circa 1964 taken by my late father. Scanned from a transparency.

1964_7_040 SECR 4-4-0 no 737 at Clapham Museum.JPG

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19 minutes ago, Tramshed said:

Photo of 737 at Clapham Museum circa 1964 taken by my late father. Scanned from a transparency.

1964_7_040 SECR 4-4-0 no 737 at Clapham Museum.JPG

 

So, the NRM aren't to blame for the extra boiler lining.

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All  three SE&CR versions are now here.

Having received the 2nd replacement from Locomotion Models yesterday and having received my grey version today.

 

I’m well chuffed, despite their niggles, these are lovely.

I originally ordered all three versions, I cancelled the grey version and then decided a couple of days ago I should get it.

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22 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Where was the engine prepared for preservation? Ashford? 

 

Ashford. 1960 I believe.

 

That's why I was interested in what it was up to from the mid 1950s until being incarcerated. It was genuine interest.

 

Unrestored in May 1959 at Tweedmouth.

 

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96949

 

And in June with some other preserved locos and stock.

 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/t/tweedmouth/index6.shtml

 

 

Jason

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Well finally my Southern green loco has arrived in America! Shipped on 2/7 and arrived on 8/7, fasted shipping from the UK I have ever received. My first reaction was is this OO scale, it is so small compared even to my GWR Mogul, but coupled up to 6 Hornby GWR coaches it looked OK and it pulled them up a 1% grade on a curve with the traction tyres still installed. As usuall one buffer was floating in the box but the tender height matched the loco cab. Getting the smokebox door off for fitting the decoder was not easy as the door is basically a flush fit and the little tool was useless. An Xacto knife blade slid under the hinge worked though. As indicated above it is a very smooth runner with DCC installed, so now I need to replace the traction wheelset and install the various bits. I also plan to gut the electronics in the boiler and hard wire a decoder which should give me room for a little extra weight and a Keep Alive from TCS. Right now I’d give Dapol/Rails a 9.9/10 on this one.

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A question regarding the SE&CR grey version no: 726, regarding the lamp irons, there are six at the front and only four at the back.

 

Was this prototypical? It just looks odd, I could understand, four at the front and four at the back.

or six at the front and six at the back.

 

A couple of things to ask as well, when was this loco painted into SECR grey?

When was was it painted into Southern Railway livery?

 

Many thanks for your help.

 

Callum

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Where was the engine prepared for preservation? Ashford? 


Yes cosmetically restored at Ashford Works between 15th December 1959 and May 1960 and taken to Clapham Museum on 27th June. 

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39 minutes ago, Steam here! said:

A question regarding the SE&CR grey version no: 726, regarding the lamp irons, there are six at the front and only four at the back.

 

Was this prototypical? It just looks odd, I could understand, four at the front and four at the back.

or six at the front and six at the back.

 

A couple of things to ask as well, when was this loco painted into SECR grey?

When was was it painted into Southern Railway livery?

 

Many thanks for your help.

 

Callum


I would have expected it to have four lamp irons front and back in SECR days. 
 

I don’t have a date for 726 gaining the grey livery but would have been post 1915. 
She was painted in SR olive in October 1924.

 

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OK, fitted the driver without traction tyres and this little can hardly pull 3 Hornby coaches up a 1% grade. Good thing it will mainly be run on my flat modules. When it makes its appearance on my US Southern Rwy layout it will have to have a diesel assigned to the train to prevent stalling in the helices.

 

Now for the important question—which side was the driver on in the cab of a Southern Wainwirght? Also given the limited space it appears that the driver can be standing in front of the firebox door and the fireman standing on the tender footplate, or the driver has to be sitting to allow the fireman access to the firebox. I have a handful of Modelu drivers but they are all standing and set up for GWR right hand position. Anyone have photos of their crew installed yet?

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8 hours ago, Cofga said:

Now for the important question—which side was the driver on in the cab of a Southern Wainwirght? 

 

The side with the reverser reach rod. Well hidden Wainwright engines but in this photo the reverser can be seen mounted above the right-hand splasher.

 

9 hours ago, Cofga said:

Also given the limited space it appears that the driver can be standing in front of the firebox door and the fireman standing on the tender footplate, or the driver has to be sitting to allow the fireman access to the firebox.

 

That'll be because the splashers are too wide, to accommodate the 00 wheels. There's probably no more than 13 mm between the splashers where there should be 16 mm. Some surgery will be required on your drive to merge his nether regions into the splasher so that his upper parts are in the correct position.

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3 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

The side with the reverser reach rod. Well hidden Wainwright engines but in this photo the reverser can be seen mounted above the right-hand splasher.

Because Mr.Wainwright followed Mr.Stirling's example and used a STEAM reverser - that thing that ISN'T a Wessy pump - only the little control lever whatsit is required in the cab ....... as probably shown in the photo ( above ) that my computer 'can't reach'.

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2 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

 as probably shown in the photo ( above ) that my computer 'can't reach'.

Nor can mine. It appears to be in something like machine code.

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1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

Because Mr.Wainwright followed Mr.Stirling's example and used a STEAM reverser - that thing that ISN'T a Wessy pump - only the little control lever whatsit is required in the cab ....... as probably shown in the photo ( above ) that my computer 'can't reach'.

 

Aha! I should have known. Hence the rather natty little reverser in the cab - no great heavy rod and gear to pull on. And I know perfectly well that the SER / SECR / SR was a vacuum line - although the LC&DR was Westinghouse - I wonder how quickly that was done away with?

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On 08/07/2021 at 20:35, Steam here! said:

A question regarding the SE&CR grey version no: 726, regarding the lamp irons, there are six at the front and only four at the back.

 

Was this prototypical? It just looks odd, I could understand, four at the front and four at the back.

or six at the front and six at the back.

 

A couple of things to ask as well, when was this loco painted into SECR grey?

When was was it painted into Southern Railway livery?

 

Many thanks for your help.

 

Callum

 

Period photos indicate that the two extra lamp irons were fitted from 1920. As for the back of the tender, it seems rather camera shy so I can't tell. Has the preserved loco got them?

That places the grey model in the early 20s, unless you remove those lamp irons to back date it to the war years.

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With the Brighton, next door, being air-braked some Wainwright locos DID have Westinghouse pumps well into B.R. days : a few C class at least - I'm not sure what else .......... but the Chatham's coaching stock was converted - or broken up - fairly quickly ( L.C.D.R. coaches exported to the Isle of Widget had to be converted back ! ).

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Yes, I was looking for the various controls but could not pick them out. I think I will just stand the driver in the middle and park the fireman on the tender footplate where he will be more visible anyway. I guess I could sever the driver’s right leg at the knee to get him closer to the correct position. Right now I wish my cab roof was removable for easier access, but alas only one buffer was loose. 

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On 08/07/2021 at 21:20, Graham_Muz said:


I would have expected it to have four lamp irons front and back in SECR days. 
 

I don’t have a date for 726 gaining the grey livery but would have been post 1915. 
She was painted in SR olive in October 1924.

 

Thanks Graham, that’s a great help. It’s given me food for thought and will certainly come in handy.

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Thanks for the info Nile, something new I’ve learnt.

It may be possible to remove the two extra lamp irons, the next task would be how to hide the holes and how to blend it all in.

 

As for the loco, there’s a high chance I will run it with the other SE&CR green locos.

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