les101975jud Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I have a number of Mark 1 carriages to number and I need to know what size the alphanumeric designation should be. In early BR days were they 3 inch and was the colour of them yellow? I have consulted Keith Parkin’s books but cannot find this detail. Also, in “Parkin” it has the initial allocations by region but it seems no FKs were allocated to the Southern Region. I know this list is not meant to be exhaustive but it seems unusual the SR had none from the start. Can anyone throw any light on this please? Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted October 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 20, 2019 Longworth shows just the one SR allocated FK - S13003, and that went for conversion in '66.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 You can always have them numbered for through trains as these would have had stock from outside your area. It's your model railway so you can have whatever you want running no matter how prototypical it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, les101975jud said: I have a number of Mark 1 carriages to number and I need to know what size the alphanumeric designation should be. In early BR days were they 3 inch and was the colour of them yellow? I have consulted Keith Parkin’s books but cannot find this detail. Also, in “Parkin” it has the initial allocations by region but it seems no FKs were allocated to the Southern Region. I know this list is not meant to be exhaustive but it seems unusual the SR had none from the start. Can anyone throw any light on this please? Les Hi Les, Page 65 of the "Parkin" book shows a diagram of carriage lettering in which it states that the Number / Regional Character were 4" high. It also lists that such lettering for Crimson / Cream was done in old gold / golden yellow with thin black line and that this was gradually replaced by yellow when given green SR livery. Maybe a little late for you but by 1980 there were two FKs in Southern ownership - S13007 & S13086. Edited October 21, 2019 by SP Steve Garbled text Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 18 hours ago, les101975jud said: I have a number of Mark 1 carriages to number and I need to know what size the alphanumeric designation should be. In early BR days were they 3 inch and was the colour of them yellow? I have consulted Keith Parkin’s books but cannot find this detail. Also, in “Parkin” it has the initial allocations by region but it seems no FKs were allocated to the Southern Region. I know this list is not meant to be exhaustive but it seems unusual the SR had none from the start. Can anyone throw any light on this please? Les The Southern wasn't a great user of full Firsts other than for Boat Trains where Open stock ( The 'nondescript' saloons and Pullmans ) where often used. the Corridor Firsts to Bulleid's design were still quite new when the MK 1 vehicles emerged so one coach - probably for the all Mk 1 'Royal Wessex' - sufficed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
les101975jud Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Thank you very much for the replies to my question. All very helpful and informative. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) I can recommend Cambridge Custom Transfers for this job; a good variety of full set 5-digit numbers and regional prefixes/suffixes suitable for RTR stock and of course you can make up numbers by 'cut'n'shutting' the transfers. The colour is perfect for pre-1966 BR use and IIRC the sheets include 1st class door numerals, and window sausages and no smoking triangles. No connection satisfied customer. Edited October 21, 2019 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfster Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Hi Les If you look on the semgonline.com, in the member files their are pdf files one of which lists all the coaches allocated to the Southern region. But has been stated previously most Mark 1 FK's were for conversion to electric vehicles, When BR(S) started using FK's they were Mark 2 vehicles. http://www.semgonline.com/proto/BRSCarriages1%20i5p1.pdf?LMCL=CvD0Nf Southern Region Allocated BR Standard Coaching Stock. Vol. 1 - Passenger Carrying Vehicles. Compiled by Mark Brinton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Alfster said: ........ When BR(S) started using FK's they were Mark 2 vehicles. ........... Apart from one later Mk IId these were from the very first MkII production batch - the only batch built before blue & grey became universal - so carried green from new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2019 The first batch of mk2 coaches were FKs, and IIRC were allocated to the Southern (in malachite green), Western, and Eastern (both in lined maroon livery) Regions. They were distinguished also by the window ventilators, which were the 4 panel type as found on mk1 stock. SOs and further FKs built for the LMR were the next batch, and came out in the then new blue/grey livery, and had the 3 panel type of sliding ventilators. All had B4 bogies, steam heating, and vacuum brakes, but I believe the LMR coaches were dual steam/electric heated for use on the new Euston-Liverpool/Manchester 25kv trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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