Jack P Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hi guys, I am just wanting to check, the tenders that the central section S15's were fitted with, were these the same as the central section N15's, or were they a different diagram? TIA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Ah well, another hornets' nest ! ....... SOME 'Arthurs' and SOME 'Nelsons' ran with 4000 gallon tenders in 'early' years and these were rebuilt to run with the first batch of 'Schools' : the MAJORITY of the six-wheelers behind 'Arthurs' were, though, 3500 gallon type which evolved from the 'N' type. The 'S15's you refer to had a 4000 gallon type. Easiest way to identify the two sizes - as there were a number of variants within each - is to look at the frames : the 3500 type have ovoid cutouts between the axleboxes and the 4000 type don't. ( Just to confuse matters a) one 'S15' ended its days with a former 'King Arthur' six-wheeler and b) 'U' class 31806 on the Swanage Railway appears to have a 3500 gallon tank on the frames from a 4000 gallon tender - never believe what you see in preservation ! ) 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2019 According to "Maunsell Locomotives" by Brian Haresnape, 833-837 were given 4000 gallon tenders from N15s 763-767 in 1936 for service on the Central Section. In the early 1960s 30833 then subsequently received the tender from Schools class 30908. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted October 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2019 Have a look at Peter Swift's Book on the H15/S15's some useful stuff there also David Maidment's Urie and Maunsell 2-Cylinder 4-6-0s by Pen and Sword Books. I do recall that by 1963 or so there were many displaced 6 wheel tenders (U1s, Schools, N15s) that many Maunsell (and a few late surviving Urie versions, 30499, for example) had their 8 wheeled tenders exchanged as, I suspect, many of them required heavy repairs. Kind regards, Richard B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Bradley, as ever, goes into full and mind-boggling detail of the 4-6-0 tender swaps ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) I appreciate everyone's responses so far - I think my confusion stems from the fact that in photos some of the Tenders behind S15's look like the straight sided 3500gal bodies, on 4000gal frames. If I've interpreted correctly, they actually all had slope sided (4000gal) tenders, when they were allocated them to run on the central section. EXCEPT for "833-837 [which] were given 4000 gallon tenders from N15s 763-767" - which would've been straight sided? Or am I more confused than before? I suppose if it makes the question easier, do I want a Hornby Schools Tender or a Hornby N15 (6 wheel) tender, to go behind a 6 wheel S15? Edited October 25, 2019 by Jack P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Nope ! ...... All six-wheelers behind 'S15's were flat sided apart from that which came from 'Schools' 30908 ............. I think the flat sided bodies of these ( and the 'N1'' ) confused Mr Bradley' into calling them "Ashford type" but they originated from Eastleigh. ( Similar tender bodies appeared on several other railways about that time.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted October 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2019 Here's 30835 with its flat-sided 6-wheel tender - https://railphotoprints.uk/p1018623573/e9f070929 And 30833 with its slope-sided tender from 30908 - https://railphotoprints.uk/p1018623573/e8203242 Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesea John Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 30837 also had a Schools tender from Spring 1962. There are hundreds of photos of it because it worked the "Farewell S15s" railtours. I thought the tenders that went from Schools to S15s came from 30912 and 30921 because they got tenders from withdrawn Lord Nelsons. All part of the Hornets nest mentioned above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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