Trog Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 08/11/2019 at 11:27, wagonman said: Why would the GCR run trains to Verney Junction? There's nothing there. There was a pub, what more do you want? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 A train home, after closing time? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 28/10/2019 at 12:28, chris p bacon said: What time period are you looking at for traffic ? Wow! So scope for some Michelines: railcars type 9, !! and 22. here in a special section in some detail Plus the Coventry ones built as a collaboration between LMS, Michelin and Armstrong Siddeley - three seriously heavyweight names to conjure with. One of these was even a "Picasso" with the driver perched up top to the side, sitting sideways on to the direction of travel. Simples! dh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Yes, the chap who attempted to teach me "electrical fitting" during the first year of my training was from Newport Pagnell, had trained at Wolverton Works, then been allocated at "travelling fitter" on the various diesel trials along the line, notably on the three-car set. The LMS always seem to have trusted diesel trains only to electrically-trained staff, allocating the big diesel locos to Stonebridge Park, so that the generating station staff were on hand! Back to Verney Junction and GCR trains. This photo I am 99% certain shows an Aylesbury to VJ train, in splendid GCR form. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/a/aylesbury/index3.shtml A really "modellogenic" train if ever there was one. The loco is a Class 12AM, converted from ex-MS&LR class 12AT in 1906, for PP working, and I think the coach is one of the 12-wheelers that MrB mentioned earlier. Edited November 15, 2019 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Yep, GC 12 wheeler plus two MET milk vans. Edited November 15, 2019 by billbedford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted November 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Nearholmer said: When you delve, it gets rather confusing, though, because it is anything but crystal clear that the MS&L was happy to be married to the Met. The connection between the GCR London Extension and the GWR via Akeman Street was partly about getting a route that avoided the steep, twisty and congested route into London via the Met, but also seems to have been a symptom of an incomplete meeting of minds between the Met and MS&L Boards - Watkin seems not to have had it all completely in his pocket. Going to Verney Junction was a tactical error that turned into a waste of money, given that the GCR London Extension was routed a few miles to the west in the end. Kevin, Read the last chapter of the Chilterns and Cotswolds book. You are right that the various Watkin railways were only held together by his stern rule - which worked till he suffered a stroke in 1894 and had to stand down from the MS&L board and the MET - he died in 1901(?). So the "later" alliance of the GCR and GWR and their 1910 junction at Ashendon makes a lot more sense - Watkin was long gone by then. Regards Chris H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted December 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2019 Worthy of note a model of Fenny Stratford station appears in this month's (January) BRM. It's nicely done although set in the 50s & 60s rather than pre-grouping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 By members of MKMRS, being their second version - there was an earlier one about thirty years ago. Its very good. They modelled Verney Junction many years ago too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1165Valour Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 I think the Problems were pensioned off to the Varsity Line, and I suspect there were a good many engines like the Cauliflowers, not sure of any others. Would coaches be mostly 4- and 6-wheelers, or were bogie coaches used as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 15/11/2019 at 14:45, Regularity said: HS2 strikes me as a reminder of the original ideas for the London and Birmingham, to follow a route through the Vale of Aylesbury, etc, not too dissimilar to the M40. Maybe 200 years on, and we are still struggling to get that built? Upgrade the Chiltern line? OOC to Snow Hill? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1165Valour Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 Right then, just ordered Bill Simpson's books on the OxCam line, hopefully I'll be able to find some things out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 As there is regular mention of Verney Junct. Can I recommend the book 'Country Railwaymen' by A.E.Grigg. Published by David & Charles, 1985 - 89 (Three impressions). A Notebook of Engine Drivers' Tales. It's LNWR, but later period LMS/BR. A nice book to read. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Well, that didn't spark much response. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I’m pretty sure that his son was a member of MKMRS when they built the VJ layout - I’ll check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 09/12/2019 at 16:34, GWRSwindon said: Would coaches be mostly 4- and 6-wheelers, or were bogie coaches used as well? At what date? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1165Valour Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: At what date? I'm thinking of the 1905-1914 era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) Looking at the "Chained up and local sets allocated to the Northern division, 1912" apart from the commuter sets in the cities, which were 50ft stock,, and the inter city (liverpool-Leeds etc) sets all the sets are made up of 31ft and/or 32ft six wheelers, with the occasional single 42ft bogie carriage in amongst them. Very few 4 wheelers appeared outside S.Wales and London, and these were I think, just in Bolton area as singles in 6 wheeler sets, apart from a single set of six carriages for the Wigan workmen's train made up of ex North London 4 wheelers. Edited December 28, 2019 by webbcompound 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 What WebbCompound describes fits with my recollection of the photos in the great stack of books that I went through a few weeks ago: six-wheelers plus the odd shortish bogie carriage; rakes of bogie stock only on excursion/special trains direct from Euston. IIRC there were four-wheeled passenger-rated van in there though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2019 22 hours ago, GWRSwindon said: I'm thinking of the 1905-1914 era. Even in that period, quite a few 42 ft non-corridor carriages were still on radial frames rather than bogies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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