RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted November 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, sb67 said: hoping to represent some rough track I've put some packing under one side and made a wonky track joint. Some of us manage that without trying... Al. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 20/11/2019 at 18:00, sb67 said: Been track laying, hoping to represent some rough track I've put some packing under one side and made a wonky track joint. Hi Steve, There was an article on track in Model rail october 2019 issue which shows techniques for creating wonky, industrial track work. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just a thought, but you might find that, under operating conditions, your sector plate could be awkward to use with those thick sidewalks so close to the track. A little more space would make it a bit easier, maybe be just removing the side piece nearest to the operator? Not a criticism, just an observation based on experience. No offence meant. steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 21 hours ago, westernviscount said: Hi Steve, There was an article on track in Model rail october 2019 issue which shows techniques for creating wonky, industrial track work. Cheers Dave Ta Dave, it was that article and the thread on here that gave me the idea. I'm finding it difficult to get the look I exactly want though. With hindsight I could have laid the track on some 1 or 2 mm card cutting away some bits to give some dips. However as I found out the dips on a siding cant be too severe with free running stock! I think it might be a bit easier to represent on a continuous running line. 8 hours ago, steve1 said: Just a thought, but you might find that, under operating conditions, your sector plate could be awkward to use with those thick sidewalks so close to the track. A little more space would make it a bit easier, maybe be just removing the side piece nearest to the operator? Not a criticism, just an observation based on experience. No offence meant. steve That's fine, none taken Steve. Thanks for your comment, I had a sector plate on a layout warp a bit so I stuck some thick bits of wood on there, seems to work ok, the bits of wood are not that high and I can put stock on ok. The sector plate comes off so if it gave me any probs I could always remove one side. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) I've had a look at ballast, or ground cover. I want the industrial run down look and initially I was going to cover most of the board with DAS but that means that when you paint it you paint the whole track sleepers and all. Whilst a lot of industrial track can look like that I wanted to try getting some subtle differences in colour so I did a trial with some different types of ground cover. Real ash and Woodland scenics dark brown ballast Earth and beach sand Woodland scenics Dark Brown and earth mixed. I'll use DAS clay in places but I like the look of the earth from my garden so I'll probably go with that on most of the layout mixing in a bit of dark brown ballast here and there using the ash in places as well, finished off with some murky washes. I've been looking at Juniper Hill to get some ideas and there was a fantastic web blog about weathering track but I cant find it anywhere now! If anybody else knows of some track weathering ideas it'll be good to know them. Nearly finished the track laying and I'm waiting for some wire from e bay so I can get on with making things work, then paint the track, I haven't got any spray so I'll probably use emulsion test pots as a base, just got to get the right colour. Tiny layout I know but I got to say I'm enjoying this Steve. Edited November 26, 2019 by sb67 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I have to admit I'm liking the darker brown and mixed earth.......it just looks right! I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but have you thought of maybe mixing the dark brown with the ash 50:50 as a transition between the two? Chris Edited November 27, 2019 by chuffinghell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 06:28, sb67 said: I've had a look at ballast, or ground cover. I want the industrial run down look and initially I was going to cover most of the board with DAS but that means that when you paint it you paint the whole track sleepers and all. Whilst a lot of industrial track can look like that I wanted to try getting some subtle differences in colour so I did a trial with some different types of ground cover. Real ash and Woodland scenics dark brown ballast Earth and beach sand Woodland scenics Dark Brown and earth mixed. I'll use DAS clay in places but I like the look of the earth from my garden so I'll probably go with that on most of the layout mixing in a bit of dark brown ballast here and there using the ash in places as well, finished off with some murky washes. I've been looking at Juniper Hill to get some ideas and there was a fantastic web blog about weathering track but I cant find it anywhere now! If anybody else knows of some track weathering ideas it'll be good to know them. Nearly finished the track laying and I'm waiting for some wire from e bay so I can get on with making things work, then paint the track, I haven't got any spray so I'll probably use emulsion test pots as a base, just got to get the right colour. Tiny layout I know but I got to say I'm enjoying this Steve. Disappear into this for a few hours, Steve.... http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45630&whichpage=2 Top stuff. Rob. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marly51 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 26/11/2019 at 06:28, sb67 said: I've had a look at ballast, or ground cover. I want the industrial run down look and initially I was going to cover most of the board with DAS but that means that when you paint it you paint the whole track sleepers and all. Whilst a lot of industrial track can look like that I wanted to try getting some subtle differences in colour so I did a trial with some different types of ground cover. Real ash and Woodland scenics dark brown ballast Earth and beach sand Woodland scenics Dark Brown and earth mixed. I'll use DAS clay in places but I like the look of the earth from my garden so I'll probably go with that on most of the layout mixing in a bit of dark brown ballast here and there using the ash in places as well, finished off with some murky washes. I've been looking at Juniper Hill to get some ideas and there was a fantastic web blog about weathering track but I cant find it anywhere now! If anybody else knows of some track weathering ideas it'll be good to know them. Nearly finished the track laying and I'm waiting for some wire from e bay so I can get on with making things work, then paint the track, I haven't got any spray so I'll probably use emulsion test pots as a base, just got to get the right colour. Tiny layout I know but I got to say I'm enjoying this Steve. I have the same challenge with my current ‘industrial’ cakebox, Steve. Ballasted the track with the rest of the ground, including a pavement and cobbled street, modelled in DAS. Been looking at lots of old steam locomotive yard photos and a few ballasting videos. My sifted garden soil has worked well as a texture on old single track roads and yards in my larger layouts. I also have some ash, ground coal, etc and hope to achieve the right effect with paints, washes and pastel powder. Marlyn 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, chuffinghell said: I have to admit I'm liking the darker brown and mixed earth.......it just looks right! I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but have you thought of maybe mixing the dark brown with the ash 50:50 as a transition between the two? Chris Good idea Chris, I will try that. 40 minutes ago, NHY 581 said: Disappear into this for a few hours, Steve.... http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45630&whichpage=2 Top stuff. Rob. Thanks Rob, just glanced at the first couple of pics, looks like some great stuff on there, that will keep me quiet this eve! 17 minutes ago, Marly51 said: I have the same challenge with my current ‘industrial’ cakebox, Steve. Ballasted the track with the rest of the ground, including a pavement and cobbled street, modelled in DAS. Been looking at lots of old steam locomotive yard photos and a few ballasting videos. My sifted garden soil has worked well as a texture on old single track roads and yards in my larger layouts. I also have some ash, ground coal, etc and hope to achieve the right effect with paints, washes and pastel powder. Marlyn Thanks Marlyn I'll check your cakebox threads out. Found these as well, think they have been on here before but superb effects, The oily track would be fantastic around a diesel facility. The second one is a downloadable pdf. http://www.ostpubs.com/modeling-oil-soaked-track/ http://www.ostpubs.com/Downloads/Weathering_Track.pdf Steve. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, sb67 said: Good idea Chris That doesn't happen very often so cherish the moment 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, NHY 581 said: Disappear into this for a few hours, Steve.... http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45630&whichpage=2 Top stuff. Rob. i had a look at that Rob, the work on there is superb. The book is done by the guy in the links I posted and I've not had much luck finding it in the uk. I'll definitely try some of the techniques with maybe slightly different materials as I'm modelling uk outline. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, sb67 said: i had a look at that Rob, the work on there is superb. The book is done by the guy in the links I posted and I've not had much luck finding it in the uk. I'll definitely try some of the techniques with maybe slightly different materials as I'm modelling uk outline. It is both jaw dropping and inspiring at the same time. A great bit of modelling. It's not just the ballast of course. The sleepers are just sublime. All very good indeed. Rob. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) All wired up and working, might be a bit of overkill but I've put 4 isolating sections on there! I've also experimented with a transition from the dark brown ballast to ash, must have been some different ash as it looks darker than the last lot. Time to plan some scenery now and paint the track I'm not sure how I'm going to hide the fiddle yard as there isn't a lot of room for my original idea. Edited November 28, 2019 by sb67 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 27/11/2019 at 12:07, NHY 581 said: Disappear into this for a few hours, Steve.... http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45630&whichpage=2 Top stuff. Rob. Have you seen this Rob? I'm liking the US style of trackwork, not sure if would suit UK outline models though. Interesting stuff none the less. http://thedepotonline.com/all/track-studies-4-weathering-and-ground-cover/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2019 Looking good Steve, I'd love to have a go at a small shunting layout myself but I should get Warren further along first I'm just too easily distrac........... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted November 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think it will be hard to hide the fiddle yard completely, but how about a factory or warehouse building in front with a nicely-modelled interior? This building could have a detachable roof so you can lift off the roof to operate the layout from in front. Plus a vertical oil storage tank to mask the track going behind the building. - Richard. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, 47137 said: I think it will be hard to hide the fiddle yard completely, but how about a factory or warehouse building in front with a nicely-modelled interior? This building could have a detachable roof so you can lift off the roof to operate the layout from in front. Plus a vertical oil storage tank to mask the track going behind the building. Hi Richard, I originally wanted try something different , for me at least , to factory's etc and wanted an embankment. I've looked a Tudwick Road Sidings By Dave Tailby and that has a similar problem which he's cleverly disguised using trees so it could be doable, however your idea is pretty good. 3 hours ago, chuffinghell said: Looking good Steve, I'd love to have a go at a small shunting layout myself but I should get Warren further along first I'm just too easily distrac........... Me too, I was planning something to run my blue diesels on then the industrial shunters appeared! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, sb67 said: Me too, I was planning something to run my blue diesels on then the industrial shunters appeared! You're not wrong, this sudden influx of industrial shunters makes It's just far too tempting 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted November 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2019 Sarah would kill me if I started another project 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 A quick few pics to show I've been painting the track and rail sides before I ballast. Not having any spray paint I used emulsion test pots, not too bothered about colours at the moment, the rail sides are a bit bright, I'll paint some individual sleepers as well later. I've also modified the layout so the I can operate from the front without having to reach over the scenery to move the sector plate or change the point. The rod on the right is linked to the sector plate and by pulling it or pushing it moves it in either direction. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 08:48, chuffinghell said: Looking good Steve, I'd love to have a go at a small shunting layout myself but I should get Warren further along first I'm just too easily distrac........... Ewe and me both. I'm at a bit of a standstill at present. Totally undecided where to go next. Not good with an exhibition a smidgen over a month away, therefore a layout to prepare. However I've also promised Stubbers something for the Rmweb Taunton show next April....Problem is, I simply cannot decide what to build.......let alone in what scale........aaargh!!! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, NHY 581 said: I simply cannot decide what to build.......let alone in what scale........aaargh!!! I’m sure whatever you decide to build with turn out great, in fact it will no doubt be the lambs gonads 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, sb67 said: ........Not having any spray paint I used emulsion test pots...... Well your use of emulsion looks great! I’ve always favoured spray paints but it ends up costing a small fortune and there’s the smell when you’re using them indoors. The best thing I bought was a cheap airbrush and compressor for spraying indoors Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 5 hours ago, NHY 581 said: Problem is, I simply cannot decide what to build.......let alone in what scale........aaargh Feel the Force, Luke err... Rob Pecketts, Pecketts, Pecketts Pecketts, Pecketts, Pecketts, Pecketts Al 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, sb67 said: not too bothered about colours at the moment, the rail sides are a bit bright, I'll paint some individual sleepers as well later Hi Steve, On Ladmanlow and Cawdor I used Humbrol Matt Acrylic 113 (Rust) for the rail sides and chairs, and Humbrol Matt Acrylic 29 (Dark Earth) for the sleepers as a base, then used Humbrol 62 (Leather) for the brighter rust on some chairs, and a dilute wash of Humbrol RC401 (Dirty Black) to give the sleepers some definition. Al. Edited December 1, 2019 by Alister_G added photo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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