Boris Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 So, browsing the Gladiator website brought me up an image of an LMS 40 ton bogie brake van which kind of looks like a SR Queen Mary and a dia 2068 LMS van got together and did something that we're not supposed to mention on here. I'm guessing as this is a kit it was really something that existed but I can't find any photos online (plenty of models none of the real thing), does anybody have any photos of one of these please? Also if someone could pass on build and service dates that would be great, although I am guessing that there weren't many of these things build and for a specific traffic reason? Love Boris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 As to be expected details with LMS and BR period photos in Essery, R, J, (1981) An illustrated history of LMS Wagons, Volume 1, Oxford Publishing Co. SBN 86093 127 7. viii + 180 pages There were only three, built 1930 for Copley Hill to Armley Paul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, hmrspaul said: As to be expected details with LMS and BR period photos in Essery, R, J, (1981) An illustrated history of LMS Wagons, Volume 1, Oxford Publishing Co. SBN 86093 127 7. viii + 180 pages There were only three, built 1930 for Copley Hill to Armley Paul Copley Hill to Armley is an incrediblely short run in the scheme of things! Exactly what were they used for on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2019 What happened to them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Copley Hill to Armley is an incrediblely short run in the scheme of things! Exactly what were they used for on this? It may be quite short, but I believe its gradient profile is quite forbidding. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2019 Looking at the diagram, they do not appear to be fitted. If there was three of them I wonder if they ever escaped the Leeds area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) I used to have a girlfriend like that; quite short but the gradient profile was terrifying... Edited November 4, 2019 by The Johnster 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, The Johnster said: I used to have a girlfriend like that. What 40t and didn't go very far, not surprised you got rid of her! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 So did I, coincidentally she never left Leeds aswell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Back on topic though these have me genuinely intrigued as to what the LMS felt was nessecary to build 3 monster brakevans to cover what is at best a few miles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Aire Head said: Back on topic though these have me genuinely intrigued as to what the LMS felt was nessecary to build 3 monster brakevans to cover what is at best a few miles. Similar reasons to those of the GWR, with their special vans for the Pontnewynydd branch, though these had to contend with a gradient and a restricted loading gauge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Aire Head said: Back on topic though these have me genuinely intrigued as to what the LMS felt was nessecary to build 3 monster brakevans to cover what is at best a few miles. The instructions IIRC have some prototype notes. Built to enable unfitted trains to contend with a severe gradient. Cannot check now as I’m not home for another two weeks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Fat Controller said: Similar reasons to those of the GWR, with their special vans for the Pontnewynydd branch, though these had to contend with a gradient and a restricted loading gauge. ..... not to mention - almost back on topic - two generations of LMS special vans for Liverpool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 The only use I can see would be to transfer goods off the former LNWR Leeds to Dewsbury Line onto the former Midland Railway main line. This also looks like it would involve a reversal at the goods yards at either The Central Station in Holbeck or at Wortley Junction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Boyd Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Hi Boris, I've always had a soft spot for these 40 ton vans, when I was a young teenager I used to live in Toton, one evening my mates and I were walking through the private cripples yard adjacent to Toton East Junc. and lo and behold we spotted one of them in the yard, I suspect it was during 1962/63. Moving forward a couple of years after starting my footplate career at Toton, I recall been told that one of the vans had been used for a short while on the two branches into Stanton Ironworks ( Old Works, New Works/Mapperley) from Stanton Gate, both lines which included heavyish grades. A few years ago I came across this image of the van in use at Stanton Gate on one of the two 'trippers' (T89 or T90) that serviced the ironworks. I dont have a record of the photographer so I'm unable to credit the image. Regards, Mick. 9 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanGe Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Hi guys, I've built the Gladiator 7mm kit of this brake van. I had read that only 3 were built and they only had very limited places where they were used. Despite that I Just couldn't resist having one. Really quirky and gets a lot of comment when it appears. Great photo of it behind that diesel at Stanton Gate. Very pleasing kit to build. Bogies were a bit tricky for me but overall it went together really well. Very pleased with it. Recommended regards Ian 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Fat Controller said: Similar reasons to those of the GWR, with their special vans for the Pontnewynydd branch, though these had to contend with a gradient and a restricted loading gauge. The Pontnewynydd vans were that shape so as not to obstruct the view forward from the locomotive, as they were propelled up the gradient, sandwiched between the loco and the train. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2020 That pic above has me wanting one for my Stanton pipe train. Other than the (in)famous Jidenco kit, is there an optional kit for 4mm, or, quelle surpríse, is the Jidenco one buildable? Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waveydavey Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 A couple of Parkside kits mashed together might be the easiest answer Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: That pic above has me wanting one for my Stanton pipe train. Other than the (in)famous Jidenco kit, is there an optional kit for 4mm, or, quelle surpríse, is the Jidenco one buildable? Mike. I managed to put mine together but I seem to remember that some of the detail was a mirror image of the real thing, and that I had a lot of trouble with clearances around the bogies before it would run on anything but straight track. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Waveydavey said: A couple of Parkside kits mashed together might be the easiest answer Mike. I did think that, but the end platforms and cut outs seem to be a lot longer, so a scratch build might be the way to go, but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort tbh. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRWAL Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I came across this in the Letters section of Railway Magazine Feb 1965, with a follow up letter in the March issue. I thought I must highlight it for your interest, particularly MickB who saw it at Stanton Gate. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Boyd Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Thanks for that PRWAL, I'm surprised that after all the years I managed to get the (approx.) date correct. I did have a cutting from a magazine of the van in use on the Holwell Branch but so far I havent been able to find it. Thanks again. Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 Nice find Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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