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Results - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019

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On 21/11/2019 at 16:55, Compound2632 said:

 

I live and learn. Scope for an interesting DCC feature there? Red hot ingot gradually cooling.

The last design of BR Pig Iron wagon was of all-steel construction, with a sloping floor that allowed drainage after the pigs had been quenched. For whatever reason, these wagons didn't last, and fitted Plates took over.

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The diagram 1/005 Hot Pig Iron had the small ingots were loaded hot and quenched in the wagon, hence the angled floor and associated central drain holes.

 

Mark Saunders

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13 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

Not sure they were glowing red hot when they were loaded, not that you'd want to touch one; surely that would have resulted in their distorting out of shape, but DCC rain hissing and boiling when it hit them, and a bit of general steam, would be possible.

Their shape didn't matter; they would be remelted at destination. Pig iron was used as an adjunct to scrap in many steelworks and foundries. Sometimes, it was a general goods yard that handled them (Pensnett, for example), on other sites, they'd be taken into the plant (Duport, Llanelli) Whilst most users of pig were in the urban areas, there were some 'outliers' such as 'Compair' in Cornwall.

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Now, that's interesting, Brian; foundries can be relatively small establishments by the standards of the iron and steel industry, and it is not impossible that one might be found in the Dimbath Valley served by my little branch.  Not up at the modelled terminus perhaps, but with traffic appearing on the daily pickup.  This deserves thinking about, and I could end up being more interested in a pig iron wagon than I thought I was.  They have a nice chunky heavy engineering look to them.

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For those interested in  ferrous porcine matters, may I point you to two of my recent topics?

I have not seen another Trix pig iron wagon for sale on Ebay for months now!! A shame, as I wouldn't mind a couple more.

Cheers from Oz,

Peter C.

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Hello everyone

 

Congratulations to KR Models on the announcement that they are seeking expressions of interest for the Fell Diesel 10100. As this is 'EoI', we won't remove the loco from The Poll until there is a 'firm running commitment'.

 

We wish the company every success with the project. 

 

The loco has been High Polling since 2014.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello everyone

 

Congratulations to KR Models on the announcement that they are seeking expressions of interest for the Fell Diesel 10100. As this is 'EoI', we won't remove the loco from The Poll until there is a 'firm running commitment'.

 

We wish the company every success with the project. 

 

The loco has been High Polling since 2014.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

 

 

 

 

Wheres Chard?

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Somerset ;)

You mean 'Chard, the Fell's nemesis. Haven't seen any reaction from him for a while, it used to seem like he had an auto-search for 'the loco that shall not be named' and popped up as soon as it was mentioned....

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On 23/11/2019 at 18:20, The Black Hat said:

 

Wheres Chard?

Probably stuck in some sort of shock reaction to the F word being mentioned in the context of producing model trains. 

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Hello everyone

 

Congratulations to RevolutioN Trains on the announcement of their intent to produce the Ecofret Container Flats. We wish them every success with the project.

 

The vehicles were listed 'new' this year in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019. Although they came in Low Polling it should be noted that 1964-Current Freight Stock category always attracts slightly fewer voters than the other Freight categories.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

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On 08/11/2019 at 11:46, Oldddudders said:

Once again we must thanks the team and Andy Y for their hard work in listing and preparing the poll, and such quick analysis of so much data in multiple digestible formats across 4 pdfs. 

 

I am sorry that only 2511 people bothered to vote, since I see the poll as being of interest to many more people across our hobby. That number represents a very small % of RMwebbers, let alone magazine and other media readers whom we might expect to take an interest, and whom we know the team makes strenuous efforts to outreach. 

 

The fact that a rather obscure and never numerous class of loco from overseas topped the poll tells us something. Since I believe an example roams the preserved rails these days, and is quite different in appearance from mainstream UK loco design, the influence of the preservation sector in our hobby is proved yet again. 

 

Agree with paras 1 & 2.

 

Re. the S160, I like it because it is ugly, different & WWII vintage. The fact it left our shores in 1945 and I model post WWII I am not bothered about. (I had no idea there is a preserved one in the UK - where?)

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13 minutes ago, S&CR said:

 

Agree with paras 1 & 2.

 

Re. the S160, I like it because it is ugly, different & WWII vintage. The fact it left our shores in 1945 and I model post WWII I am not bothered about. (I had no idea there is a preserved one in the UK - where?)

 

There are 8 according to wikipedia - although some are for spares:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USATC_S160_Class#Preservation

 

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20 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

 

There are 8 according to wikipedia - although some are for spares:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USATC_S160_Class#Preservation

 

 

Don't miss this if you like S160s! https://www.churnetvalleyrailway.co.uk/events/super-power-weekend-take-2.html

 

The climb up from Leekbrook Junction behind one is worth the price alone.

 

 

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1 hour ago, S&CR said:

 

Agree with paras 1 & 2.

 

Re. the S160, I like it because it is ugly, different & WWII vintage. The fact it left our shores in 1945 and I model post WWII I am not bothered about. (I had no idea there is a preserved one in the UK - where?)

 

One stayed on the Longmoor Military Railway until 1957, WD 93257 "Carl R Gray Jr" .

 

The first re-import was 5820 for the Keighley & Worth Valley in 1977.

 

https://kwvr.co.uk/steam-train/steam-train-2/

 

 

Jason

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On 11/11/2019 at 07:36, Ozexpatriate said:

 

I also note all the comments about boosting polling numbers.

 

While 2,500 would not represent even close to a majority of British outline 00 enthusiasts, and of course, more would be better,  I think it represents a very statistically significant sample. As such it accomplishes the objectives of the poll in terms of producing meaningful and statistically significant data about the collective interests of enthusiasts.

 

I suspect the outcomes might not actually change that much were there more people contributing.

 

Letting the internet do a little maths:

 

The bottom of the top 50 overall vote is 205. This is about 8% of 2511. Assuming an infinite population (which it isn't) and plugging this into this online calculator here, if I have not messed anything up, this means that there is a 95% chance that the real value is within ±1.06% of the measured/surveyed value.

 

The margin of error (with a 95% confidence interval) of the top vote (393 or 15%) is ±1.40%.

 

Smaller population sizes will decrease the margin of error.

 

These are results of which the poll team can feel justifiably proud.

 

Where increased contribution might make a difference is the open-ended "re-make" questions at the end of the poll.

 

 

It is a self-selecting sample, not random, which quite possibly throws all of your stats out of the window. I can't be more definitive as my stats knowledge is 25-30 years old and therefore somewhat rusty. Sorry.

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12 minutes ago, S&CR said:

 

It is a self-selecting sample, not random, which quite possibly throws all of your stats out of the window. I can't be more definitive as my stats knowledge is 25-30 years old and therefore somewhat rusty. Sorry.

 

Hello S&CR

 

The 00 Poll Team has been running The Wishlist Poll in its (generally consistent) current style since 2012. Prior to that, we had some experience with some of us contributing to what was MREmag in 2010 and 2011 where for convenience sake - not 'grandeur' - we called ourselves The Loco Team.

 

The results of what we did there and subsequently have remained reasonably consistent over the years, with the greater majority of made items having been in the upper echelons. We have never claimed that models are made directly because of The Poll results as we have no proof.

 

Even prior to The Loco Team, some of us were involved with the small team that ran the original Poll. That Poll wasn't as widely publicised as the current Poll and didn't draw quite as many voters, but consistency of results across those years can be detected with ease.

 

We have always been open to how we might attract a more 'random' or 'less self-selective audience' but no-one has yet come up with a solid, predictable formula. The Poll is not only for 'voting'...it has an underlying policy of 'education' and placing items in as logical a presentation context and accuracy of terminology as is possible.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

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On 21/11/2019 at 06:09, Dunsignalling said:

I thought it a bit odd that, of two numerically small classes, the G16 4-8-0T, which had a very restricted sphere of operation, polled higher than the (not dissimilar) H16 4-6-2T, which got around far more.

 

Some of us just don't have that detailed knowledge but want a SR large tank and will pick which they think looks "best" or more interesting. I would happily snap up either, or a Z or W (and ideally all four!).

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2 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Hello S&CR

 

The 00 Poll Team has been running The Wishlist Poll in its (generally consistent) current style since 2012. Prior to that, we had some experience with some of us contributing to what was MREmag in 2010 and 2011 where for convenience sake - not 'grandeur' - we called ourselves The Loco Team.

 

The results of what we did there and subsequently have remained reasonably consistent over the years, with the greater majority of made items having been in the upper echelons. We have never claimed that models are made directly because of The Poll results as we have no proof.

 

Even prior to The Loco Team, some of us were involved with the small team that ran the original Poll. That Poll wasn't as widely publicised as the current Poll and didn't draw quite as many voters, but consistency of results across those years can be detected with ease.

 

We have always been open to how we might attract a more 'random' or 'less self-selective audience' but no-one has yet come up with a solid, predictable formula. The Poll is not only for 'voting'...it has an underlying policy of 'education' and placing items in as logical a presentation context and accuracy of terminology as is possible.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

 

Please don't get me wrong; I am not expressing any criticism of your excellent work and it would be a shame if it ended for any reason.

 

However for others to suggest that there is a margin of error of 1.06% or 1.40% is, I think, going a little too far. (Bearing in mind opinion polls attempt a random sample, select 1-2000 respondents, have fewer options available but don't claim that level of accuracy, only a range, typically 1-3%.)

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Posted (edited)

Hello everyone

 

Many congratulations to Hornby on the 2020 announcements today! Excellent news for many!

 

This is how the new tooling items fared in the 2019 Results...

 

Top 50

374 votes - BR Std Class 2 2-6-0 (78xxx). Overall position 3rd.

287 votes - LNER Hush Hush. Overall position 10th.

 

High Polling

186 votes - BR Diag.24 Restaurant Buffet (RB)

182 votes - APT-P

182 votes - W1 60700

149 votes - A2/3

 

Middle Polling

116 votes - A2/2. (This score places it nicely above the overall halfway mark.)

 

Low Polling

86 votes - Coronation Scot Coaches. (These were only just in Low Polling. We believe they have much potential for the BR modeller in the future if Hornby has made sensible provisions.)

 

As something of a notable aside, we recently ran The Quirky Poll. Rocket was overall top-voted item there.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

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9 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Low Polling

86 votes - Royal Scot Coaches.

 

Royal Scot coaches or Coronation Scot coaches? It's the latter Hornby have announced, at £431.91 per train. There were some rather magnificent Period 2 coaches built in 1929/30 for the former, which would certainly get my vote!

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Hello Compound 2632

 

It was a 'slip of the finger'. I corrected it in the cut and paste copy that I sent to the Hornby thread, but forgot to correct this one! Now done.

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

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I think that the Coronation Scot is attractive to Hornby as the stock was largely based on or converted from the P3 coaches they already make and the coaches survived in their original form with the pressure ventilation hoods until the BR maroon era. 

It also gives them the opportunity to make the RK with virtually no changes, plus the standard versions of the 65' RFO, 57' BFK and 57' TO with modification to the roof and some interior layouts. Hopefully they have designed the roof cowl as an add-on so it can be easily modified at source to create three extra LMS coaches suitable for three different liveries over a 30-year period.

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Hello Charles

 

Agreed.

 

I sincerely hope Hornby has 'made provision' for the BR versions as that gives them so much potential. Given that they have made small detail tooling changes on locos and rolling stock recently - such as the Bulleid sides - I look forward to the future of these coaches.

 

The BR versions have formed part of my 'master plan' and were written into my 'carriage workings' long ago...I'm all set to go!

 

(As an aside, the A2/2, A2/3 and 60700 were also 'written in' long ago as I am fortunate to have a layout that is generic in format and can 'purport to be' WR, SR. LMR or ER depending on what stock I run.)

 

Brian (speaking personally)

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Hello everyone

 

Congratulations to Oxford on these announcements...we wish them well with the projects and hope they are commercially successful.

 

Below is how the items fared in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019:

 

J26: We listed this previously as a combination with the J27.

 

Tank Wagon: We're not sure what type this is at the moment...we'll get back in due course. (Edit 12.10 21.01.20 - It seems that this is not a 'new tooling' as is a new livery of the existing models.)

 

GER Van: This particular item was listed individually many years ago but we had to 'subsume it' into the broader/generic listing of GER Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans. It is certainly a very useful vehicle and looks 'a tad different' to other 4-wheel vans.

 

Crane: Not in The Poll. We do list a handful, but the subject is so vast that a Poll could be run just for cranes!

 

Pilchard: Not in The Poll. Another area where we have struggled to shoe-horn items in over the years; the genre is vast!

 

Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

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