Atlantic Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Hi Trying to recreate the class 20's to Skegness but unsure what coaching stock was used. Particularly interested in the Mk. 1s era. Can anyone assist? Ta in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 There are a lot of photos of the trains scattered through my photo thread on RMWeb at: The photos are also on flickr, mainly in my Grantham to Nottingham album at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/albums/72157626279144040 I am afraid you will have to go through a lot of photos to find the ones you want!. David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 From memory, lots of SKs and BSKs. Some sets had TSOs which probably became more prevalent as the corridor versions were scrapped. A few sets had a BCK at the front just to provide some 1st class accommodation, but many were second class only. I don't remember any catering vehicles, although that may have changed in later years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Here’s what I had on one summer Saturday.. 5x SK and 1x BSK Edited November 12, 2019 by adb968008 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 The 'Jolly Fishermen' I remember seeing were usually twelve coaches each from Leicester, Derby/Burton, Nottingham and Sheffield but not sure on coach types. As they were summer specials, I would assume they were second class only with any firsts being suitably labelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I've probably got some notes from 1981-83ish, showing actual coach numbers. Should I look them out (can't do it today though)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 In 1985 the 09.29 SO and 09.40 TWO Derby to Skegness, and 09.09 MTHO Burton to Skegness, were booked 4 SK, BSK, 4 SK. The 08.48 SUN Derby to Skegness was booked BSK, 9 TSO, BSK (all Mk1). This rake worked the 08.48 Leicester to Skegness service during the week. I caught the train back to Derby from Beeston on numerous Sunday nights that August in order to use up my allocation of free travel from my Dad before I started work on the railway in the September. Sadly I don't seemed to have bothered to write down the individual coaches, probably because I knew I'd seen them all already. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I looked out some notes from 1982 and 1983... Leicester Sat 29/5/82 20186+20159 with 21242 25824 25758 25985 15942 25990 24847 25407 35055 i.e. BCK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 30/5/82 20159+20186 with 25740 25777 25798 16121 35342 25754 25425 25819 26010 i.e. SK SK SK CK BSK SK SK SK SK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 6/6/82 20169+20158 and the same coaches as 30/5 Leicester Sat 12/6/82 20143+20166 with 35055 25407 24847 25770 15942 25985 25758 25824 35474 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches, nearly the same as 29/5 Leicester Sat 26/6/82 20072+20159 with the same coaches as 12/6. My notes say rear loco failed at Boston, and instead of the 20s taking the ECS back to Derby, the 20s went onto Leicester depot, and 45002 took the ECS Leicester 28/5/83 31282+31283 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 24887 25360 24859 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Mon 30/5/83 (bank holiday) 20173+20134 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Tue 31/5/83 20070+20075 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Wed 1/6/83 20075+20072 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Sun 5/6/83 20173+20134 with 35325 24845 18415 18374 7081 18300 24854 18283 35074 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches N.B. the renumbering of the Mk1s was beginning to take effect - 25xxx SKs went to 18xxx for example, and CKs were also renumbered. Leicester Sat 25/6/83 20135+20157 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 25769 25360 25796 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches 1 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Thanks everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 11:26, eastwestdivide said: I looked out some notes from 1982 and 1983... Leicester Sat 29/5/82 20186+20159 with 21242 25824 25758 25985 15942 25990 24847 25407 35055 i.e. BCK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 30/5/82 20159+20186 with 25740 25777 25798 16121 35342 25754 25425 25819 26010 i.e. SK SK SK CK BSK SK SK SK SK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 6/6/82 20169+20158 and the same coaches as 30/5 Leicester Sat 12/6/82 20143+20166 with 35055 25407 24847 25770 15942 25985 25758 25824 35474 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches, nearly the same as 29/5 Leicester Sat 26/6/82 20072+20159 with the same coaches as 12/6. My notes say rear loco failed at Boston, and instead of the 20s taking the ECS back to Derby, the 20s went onto Leicester depot, and 45002 took the ECS Leicester 28/5/83 31282+31283 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 24887 25360 24859 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Mon 30/5/83 (bank holiday) 20173+20134 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Tue 31/5/83 20070+20075 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Wed 1/6/83 20075+20072 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Sun 5/6/83 20173+20134 with 35325 24845 18415 18374 7081 18300 24854 18283 35074 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches N.B. the renumbering of the Mk1s was beginning to take effect - 25xxx SKs went to 18xxx for example, and CKs were also renumbered. Leicester Sat 25/6/83 20135+20157 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 25769 25360 25796 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Would these have 'E' or 'M' prefix? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Atlantic said: Would these have 'E' or 'M' prefix? Vast majority would be M as the coaches were supplied from Derby on the LMR. They might have borrowed one or two from other regions. The coaching stock books from the time might be able to confirm the prefixes. Not sure when they started dropping the prefixes, think it was later than 82-83, but not by much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Brilliant thanks for your help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2019 The coach renumbering programme started in the Spring of 1983, and was mostly completed by Autumn 1984, though there were a few stragglers going into 1985. For formations and rake numbers from 1981 the Rolling Stock Observer website is a good starting point. http://www.britishrailways.net/rs/index.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2019 23 hours ago, Atlantic said: Would these have 'E' or 'M' prefix? All the 82 ones were 'M' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 11:26, eastwestdivide said: I looked out some notes from 1982 and 1983... Leicester Sat 29/5/82 20186+20159 with 21242 25824 25758 25985 15942 25990 24847 25407 35055 i.e. BCK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 30/5/82 20159+20186 with 25740 25777 25798 16121 35342 25754 25425 25819 26010 i.e. SK SK SK CK BSK SK SK SK SK, 9 coaches Leicester Sun 6/6/82 20169+20158 and the same coaches as 30/5 Leicester Sat 12/6/82 20143+20166 with 35055 25407 24847 25770 15942 25985 25758 25824 35474 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches, nearly the same as 29/5 Leicester Sat 26/6/82 20072+20159 with the same coaches as 12/6. My notes say rear loco failed at Boston, and instead of the 20s taking the ECS back to Derby, the 20s went onto Leicester depot, and 45002 took the ECS Leicester 28/5/83 31282+31283 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 24887 25360 24859 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches Leicester Mon 30/5/83 (bank holiday) 20173+20134 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Tue 31/5/83 20070+20075 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Wed 1/6/83 20075+20072 with same coaches as 28/5 Leicester Sun 5/6/83 20173+20134 with 35325 24845 18415 18374 7081 18300 24854 18283 35074 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches N.B. the renumbering of the Mk1s was beginning to take effect - 25xxx SKs went to 18xxx for example, and CKs were also renumbered. Leicester Sat 25/6/83 20135+20157 with 35124 25361 25432 25286 16073 25769 25360 25796 35330 i.e. BSK SK SK SK CK SK SK SK BSK, 9 coaches I suspect that in the 1960s and 70s (at least) the carriage rakes which included a BCK or CK were the regular dated services in the main timetable. I cannot find any reference in the published material to suggest they were branded second class only, and therefore a couple of compartments had to be provided in the hope that a wealthy through passenger turned up, or compensation would have had to be provided. The all second class sets were much more likely (in those years) to have been Adex (of which there were many) from various stations in mining country. These eventually were cut back to larger towns/cities such as Nottingham, Derby, Leicester, Sheffield and Doncaster; but they could easily be advertised as second only. I only lived by the line from Sleaford to Boston in the 60s and early 70s, but on a summer Saturday morning there would be about 12-15 loco hauled passenger trains heading east between 09:30 and 13:00, with the return trains appearing soon after that and through the afternoon. This was mostly before the Lincoln and Spalding direct lines closed in Oct 1970 and therefore I missed the services on those routes. With nostalgic hindsight I wished that I could have cycled to Bellwater Junction and seen them all, but it was a long way away, and would have probably taken a couple of hours each way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just for clarity, all those I listed above were the regular summer-dated, public timetabled trains to/from Skegness, and not excursions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 Any records or photos of the famed 'Derby maroon set' of Mk1 excursion coaches to Skegness, up to 1974 Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) Yes there are these from August 1974. Skegness Sequence by David Blower, on Flickr Skegness Sequence by David Blower, on Flickr Skegness Sequence by David Blower, on Flickr Edited November 30, 2019 by stovepipe 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 3, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2019 Thanks, evocative photos ! Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 03/12/2019 at 07:44, Dava said: Thanks, evocative photos ! Dava Apart from the addition of a Morrisons store, removal of one signal arm and some track, it's still very much the same today. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 hours ago, great central said: Apart from the addition of a Morrisons store, removal of one signal arm and some track, it's still very much the same today. The station maybe, no excursion trains with class 20, 25, 31, 37 &, Mk1 maroon and blue/grey coaches though! I wonder if we'll look back at the passing era of East Midlands Trains/Railways with similar nostalgia - I suspect so in the case of the HST sets and maybe 158s, depending on what replaces them. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dava said: The station maybe, no excursion trains with class 20, 25, 31, 37 &, Mk1 maroon and blue/grey coaches though! I wonder if we'll look back at the passing era of East Midlands Trains/Railways with similar nostalgia - I suspect so in the case of the HST sets and maybe 158s, depending on what replaces them. Dava The current HST sets should be replaced by ex LNER sets in the near future, they may or may not run to Skegness in future years, the 15x family to be replaced by 170s in the next couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Sorry in advance for going away at a tangent, but I thought this thread was relevant rather than start another one for something which may not get many responses. I was looking in the 1965 WTT trying to find a particular headcode for a service to Mablethorpe, when I happened to notice that all the trains from South Yorkshire to Skegness/Mablethorpe were routed via Sleaford. I can't understand the reason for this, because having reached Lincoln one would think the obvious route would be via the 'new line' and Coningsby to Bellwater Junction. But no; none of the Sheffield or Doncaster trains go that way. They all run via Sleaford and Boston. There is even a Skegness to Lincoln DMU (deg Skeg at 1333) which goes via the 'scenic route' and stops at all stations to Sleaford and proceeds from there to Lincoln. The answer cannot be that the new line had no weekend service, because there are a few stopping trains on that route, about one every three hours. Has anyone any info on why SO trains from Doncaster/Sheffield areas to Mablethorpe/Skegness might not have used the direct route? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 To awaken a old topic, does anyone know where I can find out about these coaches? I need to know about bogies(BR1, commonwealth, B4) and brakes (VB or XB). Any body can help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Which coaches do you mean? If its the 1982 ones then outside the SR no BSK, nor SK, would have air or dual brakes. Also if LMR stock then it is about 99% certain to be dual heated stock. If ER stock then it would be about 90% certain to be steam heated. In terms of bogie anything after 35294, 25704 and 16153 would be built with CW bogies, the list of B4 stock is fairly long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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