Mark Saunders Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Modellers Backtrack April/May 1994 has an article on these, well worth finding a copy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I've always wondered why very few (if any) of the 'Blues' ever carried their TOPS code in the data panel. Was it because they normally tended to work in block train formations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithM Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Hi Brian My Period of interest is the late 70's to the mid to late 80's and of course Scotland where else.... !!! and rule 1 is already in force LOL Hi Mark Good idea, I will try and find a copy of Backtrack Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Pete Johnson, creator of the excellent 'Canada Street' layout, did some work on these wagons as can be seen on the EM Gauge Layouts website: http://emgauge70s.co.uk/model_omwb131.html He created etched components to detail them but I'm not sure if he offers them for sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 55 minutes ago, KeithM said: Hi Brian My Period of interest is the late 70's to the mid to late 80's and of course Scotland where else.... !!! and rule 1 is already in force LOL Hi Mark Good idea, I will try and find a copy of Backtrack Keith Hi Keith My main period of interest is early 70’s to mid 80’s, the end of the Class 27 to be precise. Scotland as well but focused mostly around Fife. The only rtr ‘Whisky Blue’ for your period is the Hornby version with Tops panel and no advert. It could do with some upgrading what you do is up to you, the easiest modifications are new wheels and file off the horizontal side stanchions. New decals can add some individuality to each wagon. For your period the Lima version requires new wheels and the advert hoarding removed/filed away and new decals on the hopper (leave the underframe markings alone). Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, turbos said: Hi Keith My main period of interest is early 70’s to mid 80’s, the end of the Class 27 to be precise. Scotland as well but focused mostly around Fife. The only rtr ‘Whisky Blue’ for your period is the Hornby version with Tops panel and no advert. It could do with some upgrading what you do is up to you, the easiest modifications are new wheels and file off the horizontal side stanchions. New decals can add some individuality to each wagon. For your period the Lima version requires new wheels and the advert hoarding removed/filed away and new decals on the hopper (leave the underframe markings alone). Brian. The Triang/Hornby one is too long as it sits on the tank chassis, see diagrams for main dimensions here on the Barrowmore website. http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRPOWagons1Issue.pdf All are suitable for Post 1971 running as the Doncaster ones were new in 1971. The Doncaster ones had Pedestal suspension from new and the others were changed later with the exception of the ABM Yellow ones. Mark Saunders 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithM Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Hi Brian Thanks for that I think I might have a bash at the Lima one first. Hi Steve EMgauge70 all great stuff but way above my head Hi Mark Thanks for the link, again way over my head... ! Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 This shot was taken at West Blyth with 6E46 arriving from Millerhill. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 22/11/2019 at 15:06, Mark Saunders said: The Triang/Hornby one is too long as it sits on the tank chassis, see diagrams for main dimensions here on the Barrowmore website. http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRPOWagons1Issue.pdf All are suitable for Post 1971 running as the Doncaster ones were new in 1971. The Doncaster ones had Pedestal suspension from new and the others were changed later with the exception of the ABM Yellow ones. Mark Saunders As I said in a previous post ‘they all have their flaws the Triang and Trix both have major flaws, they both need some serious butchery to produce an exact scale model. The Triang is slightly overscale the Trix is clearly underscale, run alongside the Lima Whisky Blue, the Trix looks diminutive, the Triang looks OK. My opinion, yours can be different. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2019 Seem to to remember the triang ones not running too well and derailing a lot but that maybe down to my track laying back then. Did they always run in block trains on trunk runs or were they part of mixed trains in the 60s I've seen pictures of them as part of local pick up trains but were they formed into block trains at the likes of whitemoor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, russ p said: Seem to to remember the triang ones not running too well and derailing a lot but that maybe down to my track laying back then. Did they always run in block trains on trunk runs or were they part of mixed trains in the 60s I've seen pictures of them as part of local pick up trains but were they formed into block trains at the likes of whitemoor? As mentioned the Backtrack article explains how they were used. They loaded at various places across East Anglia and as you suggest were made into a block working from Whitemoor and IIRC Peterborough. T'is a pity a really good model of these hasn't been produced as they were very versatile and had later uses. Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just found when following another link in a thread, VAT 69 & Haig. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexAshton Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 Thanks to all for the info. I think based on what I've been given I'll be going for NSE blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 21/11/2019 at 16:04, Mark Saunders said: Russ The Brown ones were repaints of the ABM yellow ones and retained the original UIC suspension and leaf springs! Mark https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop/e296268d4 PAul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) Hi Folks, I've been looking into railway colours as may be acquired from car spray paints using RAL numbers and I can say that RAL 5019 Capri Blue is the very thing for the whiskey blue wagons when I compared my colour chart to a Hornby wagon. Hornby BRT grain wagon with the RAL colour chart, incidentally the other swatch is that of 5020 which I used as BR Rail Blue. Using car spray paints and relevant RAL numbers I have so far only fully painted one locomotive, for reference this was RAL 5020 Ocean Blue as noted above for BR Blue, see below. Spot the difference between Railmatch and RAL 5020. Gibbo. Edited September 27, 2020 by Gibbo675 Additional photograph. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomMcG Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just stumbled across this thread... Can someone tell me which couplings Bachmann have used for their Trix wagons? Must be either their own screw-on 36-025 (short) or 36-026 (long) ones... What small and short screws would you recommend to fit these? They also have 3-hole wheels, so I suggest these would their 36-015 Metal 3-Hole Disc Wagon Wheels. Thank you for any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 20/11/2019 at 18:29, The Johnster said: Current production Bachmann is closest to scale and has NEM couplers; this is easily the best option until you consider price, £28 a pop. .... snipped Not so the one's in the Whisky Galore set, they are screw fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waveydavey Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 22/11/2019 at 12:49, SP Steve said: Pete Johnson, creator of the excellent 'Canada Street' layout, did some work on these wagons as can be seen on the EM Gauge Layouts website: http://emgauge70s.co.uk/model_omwb131.html He created etched components to detail them but I'm not sure if he offers them for sale. I've been exchanging a few messages with Pete lately and on Saturday received a package of his etches for my grain wagon project. Although he has no more in stock he says he would be willing to get more etched if there is sufficient demand. There are two types of roof walkway and chassis detail etch, one type for the Lima wagon and one for the Trix/Bachmann type. Pete has asked me to point out the walkway etch for the early bodystyle has been done to fit Trix/Bachmann bodies stretched to scale length as he did a few years ago and featured on EMgauge70s and will be too long for unmodified bodies. If anyone is interested Pete has asked for initial contacts to be via the contact address given on the EMgauge70s site 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted March 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) On 12/11/2020 at 16:14, TomMcG said: Just stumbled across this thread... Can someone tell me which couplings Bachmann have used for their Trix wagons? Must be either their own screw-on 36-025 (short) or 36-026 (long) ones... What small and short screws would you recommend to fit these? They also have 3-hole wheels, so I suggest these would their 36-015 Metal 3-Hole Disc Wagon Wheels. Thank you for any help. Spotted this request today. These are the one's fitted to those included in the Whiskies Galore set. I don't know the code number though. Edited October 16, 2022 by john new Image reposted after the crash (Have lost the cropped copy) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyg3 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On one end I use Bachmann 36009 old Mainline coupling the other end 36025 shot narrow coupling fitted New metal wheels no problem when running Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 10:07, Waveydavey said: I've been exchanging a few messages with Pete lately and on Saturday received a package of his etches for my grain wagon project. Although he has no more in stock he says he would be willing to get more etched if there is sufficient demand. There are two types of roof walkway and chassis detail etch, one type for the Lima wagon and one for the Trix/Bachmann type. Pete has asked me to point out the walkway etch for the early bodystyle has been done to fit Trix/Bachmann bodies stretched to scale length as he did a few years ago and featured on EMgauge70s and will be too long for unmodified bodies. If anyone is interested Pete has asked for initial contacts to be via the contact address given on the EMgauge70s site Oh I like the look of these etches, I'm going to email an interest 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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